Poland-Germany border, most interesting thing ever

[Sacrificed Ram]

Not really.

First of all, they are just about 15% of modern Poland's inhabitants, and secondly they are not only from Ukraine, but Belarus, Lithuania and Latvia as well - so also from more northern lands:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4650548

Here is an ethnic Pole with ancestry from North-East Kresy (now he lives in Poland):

GEDmatch kit number: M084406

His results in Eurogenes K36 are the following:

Central_Euro 6.22
East_Balkan 7.65
East_Central_Euro 30.42
Eastern_Euro 18.13
Fennoscandian 16.44
French 1.88
Iberian 6.89
Italian 2.46
North_Atlantic 2.25
North_Sea 7.61

And his K36 similarity rates to modern populations:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

As you can see, he is not very similar to Ukrainians:



^^^
He is one of Poles resettled after WW2 from these areas:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4655955

Peterman, I didn't say poles are ukrainians, but that their ethnogenesis was in now current ukrainian territory.

[Peterski]

^^^
Political borders are not the same as ethnic borders. Some of my ancestors in 1377-1434 lived in the area controlled by the Teutonic Order (Pomerelia), but they were ethnically Polish.

[Bobby Martnen]

The loss of the Eastern German and Polish lands by their respective nations in the aftermath of WWII was a huge tragedy.

[Ülev]

Eeee... Bernat could be anyone. Even a Pole. Just a name.

can be also of more noble origin: http://www.jhi.pl/blog/2012-11-01-historia-nazwisk http://www.fronda.pl/a/nazwiska-zydo...sce,54044.html

Poland had more Jewish people than Germanic one

[Sacrificed Ram]

^^^
Political borders are not the same as ethnic borders. Some of my ancestors in 1377-1434 lived in the area controlled by the Teutonic Order (Pomerelia), but they were ethnically Polish.

Some pomersh retained slavs and was absorbed into poles. The problem is when protestant reform, the protestant slavs will align with germans, while catholics with poles.

How do you think baltics became protestants and poles not?

[Peterski]

Some pomersh retained slavs and was absorbed into poles. The problem is when protestant reform, the protestant slavs will align with germans, while catholics with poles. How do you think baltics became protestants and poles not?

Yeah that's true, but Slavs who remained under Polish rule did not convert to Protestantism. Remember that Poland defeated the Teutonic Order and regained Pomerelia in 1466, which is why this region never became dominated by Protestants:

http://files.foreignaffairs.com/lega...es/10403-1.jpg

[Peterski]

By the way, this (Trzemeszno Lubuskie) was the westernmost town of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth:

http://i.imgur.com/WjCxmUV.png



http://i.imgur.com/3UE5KZk.jpg

[Peterski]

The origin of Polish-German genetic differences is not anything recent, certainly not population movements after WW2.

It is much deeper, because Lusatian Sorbs - a Slavic minority in Germany - are genetically like Poles, not like Germans.

Here is a map showing genetic similarities of Sorbs to other populations:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...kopolska-Poles

They have 94% similarity to Wielkopolska Poles versus only 90% to East Germans, and much less to other Germans:

[Peterski]

I suppose that these people are genetically like Sorbs and Poles, despite speaking German today:

1) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4465615

2) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4459218

As far as I know, there are no genetic studies about them. Unlike in case of Sorbs and Kashubians.

And I did not manage to find anyone with 100% of ancestry from those groups, only 37.5%:

On GEDmatch I could not find anyone with 100% of ancestry from Rügen.

However, I found Dankwardt, with 37.5% of ancestry from Rügen:

GEDmatch kit: A687851
GEDCOM ID#: 7014712

http://i.imgur.com/xuIzbqk.png



K36 nMonte (with 322 reference populations):

Dankwardt

Dutch_Frisian 33.1
Belgium 23.6
Ukrainian_East 17.5
Austria_Tyrol 12.7
PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia 8.7
Lithuanian 3.3
Russian_Bryansk 0.7
IT_Veneto 0.4

17.5 + 8.7 + 3.3 + 0.7 = 30.2%

This is almost as much as percent of Rügen ancestry.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Ok, ok.

But acheology doesn't lie. Northern Poland was Goth (extinct east germanic people) territory, after they abondoned those lands, then was occupied by slavs.