Was Haplogroup R originally mongoloid?

[Abdelnour]

I was thinking about this, because it descends from MNOPS and every single haplogroup other than R has had epicanthic fold and absent browridges. Some turkic tribes are of Haplogroup R but you can say that the mongoloid genes are more of the maternal side.

What do you guys think?

[spanish catalan]

mystery...

[Rugevit]

People that had R haplogroup lived in Altai 24,000 years ago. They would not be classified as Europid or Mongoloid for that matter by modern day physical anthropologists.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

BUMP

[Messier 67]

The entire K2 and descendants haplogroups were all mongoloids (Chinese, Koreans, Malayan, Finns, Native Americans) and Negroids (the Papuans).

The pre-Proto-Europeans were mongoloids with Mongoloid features/looks. These Mongoloid features were lost by most during the Proto-Indo-European and Indo-European conquest of Europe. Although some aryan tribes today still exist with full mongoloid features/looks.

Just check the phylogeny. If a deep subclade, like Q1a2a1c, is found in Europe are the same as in Mongolia, then it means that the common ancestor for this subclade is too recent to be a Palaeolithic offshoot from Siberia to Europe. You have to look at the TMRCA otherwise it's impossible to determine the historical time frame for each subclade.

Obviously, if you found some Q*, Q1* or even Q1a* in Europe, then it could have come during the Ice Age.

It's case by case, as it depends on their subclade, but ultimately the patrilineal ancestor of haplogroup Q was Siberian and probably Mongoloid looking. That being said, it is not even sure that the Huns still looked Asian by the time they reached Central Europe, as they had been mixing with Europid/Caucasian people for many generations. What is certain is that the Vikings that brought Q1a to the British Isles did not look any more Asian than their I1, R1a and R1b comrades. Actually there is not much difference between Q, R1a and R1b in this regard. The original R1 ancestors also had Mongoloid features. This is sure from the testing of the 24,000 year-old Siberian Mal'ta boy, who belonged to R1* and was of the Mongoloid type. The main difference is that R1a and R1b people migrated west earlier and therefore mixed with Caucasoid people well before people of haplogroup Q. But anyway it only takes a few generations for Mongoloid features to be completely faded by intermarriage.

source: https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/

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[Harkonnen]

Yes it was.

[Ülev]

there is one y-dna brach - Q,P,R

R1 is real red-skinned Indians, unable to tan, who burn in sun

they conquered Eurasia, I mean R1 with Q support

look at great map source:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...#Haplogroup_R1

so it was not Columbus who won, but "Koo-wi-s-gu-wi" (second name John .... Ross)


look at Amerindians top of head



now look for example how looks Arjen Roben

and compare with quite flat top of head of Sinoid rather than Mongoloid Xi from China



yeah, R1 are Amerindians

[Kelmendasi]

R1 probably originated in north-eastern Asia, this would mean that they did look closer to Mongoloids

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes it was.

Just like Finnish?

[Harkonnen]

there is one y-dna brach - Q,P,R

R1 is real red-skinned Indians, unable to tan, who burn in sun

they conquered Eurasia, I mean R1 with Q support

look at great map source:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...#Haplogroup_R1

so it was not Columbus who won, but "Koo-wi-s-gu-wi" (second name John .... Ross)


look at Amerindians top of head



now look for example how looks Arjen Roben

and compare with quite flat top of head of Sinoid rather than Mongoloid Xi from China



yeah, R1 are Amerindians

P is the ancestral form so it is more likely they looked originally more like negritos.