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[Kouros]

According to this, modern day Syrians are closer to Greeks than to Saudis:

You mean modern day Lebanese? Syrians are about equal it seems. Saudis have a shit ton of SSA which is why they get pulled away from other 'Arab' countries. I don't think they affected the gene pool of modern day Arab countries significantly. I hate this term 'Arab country' or 'Arab' anyways despite not even being MENA myself. Everyone East of Greece is an 'Arab' according to most Americans and Canadians, they are very ignorant here.

I have a Syrian friend and his brother would pass in all southern and eastern European countries.

[StonyArabia]

You mean modern day Lebanese? Syrians are about equal it seems. Saudis have a shit ton of SSA which is why they get pulled away from other 'Arab' countries

No, Saudis are not more SSA influenced than most Arab countries, at least not ethnic Saudis. Since the country has different ethnic groups living in it. Saudis cluster with Yemenite Jews and Bedouins. They don't cluster with Syrians because Syrians have different genetic components and one of those is Iranian and Anatolian influence. Iraqi Arabs are very close to Saudis yet they don't have much SSA. Iraqi Arabs are very far from Syrians and are much closer to Bedouins on this map at least.

I don't think they affected the gene pool of modern day Arab countries significantly. I hate this term 'Arab country' or 'Arab' anyways despite not even being MENA myself. Everyone East of Greece is an 'Arab' according to most Americans and Canadians, they are very ignorant here.

North Africa did not get much of an Arabian input, but the Levant actually did, especially certain regions. The term Arab refers to anyone speaking Arabic or has some cultural elements. Arabian is different.

I have a Syrian friend and his brother would pass in all southern and eastern European countries.

Genetically he still different from them. The fairest Levantine would autosomally be no different to the darkest Levantine. McCree900 is pretty fair and can pass in Europe, yet he is closer to me genetically than he is to any European, despite our difference in phenotype.

[Hadouken]

Genetically he still different from them. The fairest Levantine would autosomally be no different to the darkest Levantine. McCree900 is pretty fair and can pass in Europe, yet he is closer to me genetically than he is to any European, despite our difference in phenotype.

McCrees results are more similar to mine than they are to peninsular arabians if I remember right

and you are half north caucasian dont forget that so your autosomal results are not to taken as an example of saudis especially not since your arab ancestry is not even from saudi arabia but iraq

but I agree that saudis dont get much ssa . but if I remember right a decent amount of northeast/east african either way . I would need to check

[StonyArabia]

McCrees results are more similar to mine than they are to peninsular arabians if I remember right

McCree results seem to be very Levantine, he scores some Arabian and Egyptian admix but yes. He is still closer to people of the Mideast than most Europeans though.

and you are half north caucasian dont forget that so your autosomal results are not to taken as an example of saudis especially not since your arab ancestry is not even from saudi arabia but iraq

I never said my results are close to the people of the Arabian pen. Yes my Arabian ancestry from Iraq but it does go to Northern Saudi Arabia.

but I agree that saudis dont get much ssa . but if I remember right a decent amount of northeast/east african either way . I would need to check

Yep I posted results of ethnic Saudis they are not more SSA than other Arab nations. Yes they have some north/east African ancestry like all Semitic people do. Ethnic Saudis cluster with Yemenite Jews, Bedouins, and southern Iraqis. Somehow they keep on getting misrepresented because people want to whitewash levantines

[Marmara]

Arab world is large and diverse and it's not about race but language and culture. Only peninsular Arabs can be considered true arabs yet they don't make the majority of arab world. Lebanese people are not the least arabs among arabs. It would be Maghrebis i think. I find it understandable that Lebanese Christians wants to seperate themselves from Arabs since they lack the most important thing (islam) that holds arab world tight. Muslim arabs are proud to be Arabs since Islam was founded by Arabs, it's the opposite for Christian Arabs i think.

[Hadouken]

Le-Bedouin in case you dont have saudi kit numbers and are curious about their results here a saudi person

yurojeans k13

Spoiler!

# Population Percent

1 East_Med 40.98
2 Red_Sea 38.59
3 Northeast_African 8.1
4 West_Med 5.06
5 West_Asian 4.64
6 South_Asian 2.21
7 Oceanian 0.26
8 East_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Saudi 7.76
2 Yemenite_Jewish 13.97
3 Bedouin 19.62
4 Egyptian 21.62
5 Palestinian 24.68
6 Jordanian 26.13
7 Samaritan 29.05
8 Syrian 29.43
9 Lebanese_Christian 31.26
10 Libyan_Jewish 31.34
11 Tunisian_Jewish 32.1
12 Tunisian 32.44
13 Lebanese_Muslim 32.54
14 Algerian 32.88
15 Moroccan 33.19
16 Lebanese_Druze 33.33
17 Mozabite_Berber 34.87
18 Sephardic_Jewish 35.58
19 Kurdish_Jewish 35.75
20 Cyprian 35.83

püntdna el k13 gulobal

Spoiler!

# Population Percent

1 SW_Asia 46.56
2 West_Asia 26.33
3 SW_Europe 17.2
4 East_Africa 4.36
5 South_Africa 1.34
6 West_Africa 1.24
7 South_Asia 1.21
8 SE_Asia 0.64
9 Oceania 0.56
10 Americas 0.52
11 NE_Asia 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 3.64
2 Bedouin 8.84
3 Yemeni 11.12
4 Egyptian_Copts 13.88
5 Palestinian 17.82
6 Egyptian 19.05
7 Jordanian 20.42
8 Samaritan_Jew 20.42
9 Syrian 25.15
10 Lebanese_Muslim 25.28
11 Lebanese_Christian 25.47
12 Lebanese_Druze 26.15
13 Moroccan 30.09
14 Tunisian 30.28
15 Assyrian 30.52
16 Cypriot 31.53
17 Algerian 31.84
18 Armenian 32.95
19 Turkish_Kayseri 33.62
20 Saharawi 34

Oirasia K9 Asü

Spoiler!

# Population Percent

1 SW_Asian 54.18
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 19.79
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 14.11
4 W_African 6.81
5 WHG 1.96
6 SE_Asian 1.64
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Yemenite_Jew 5.94
2 BedouinA 9.75
3 Saudi 12.11
4 Yemen 13.76
5 Jordanian 20
6 Syrian 21.63
7 Lebanese 22.91
8 Druze 24.8
9 Iraqi_Jew 25.15
10 Cypriot 28.21
11 Iranian_Jew 30.74
12 Georgian_Jew 30.95
13 Armenian 34.24
14 Maltese 35.41
15 Turkish 35.45
16 Azeri 37.71
17 Kurd_N 37.76
18 Sicilian 37.99
19 Iranian 38.9
20 Georgian 41.75

püntdna el k15

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 39.3
2 Mediterranean 21.69
3 Caucasian 18.38
4 Horn_Of_Africa 15.87
5 Omo_River 1.41
6 S_Indian 1.29
7 S_African 0.65
8 W_African 0.64
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Wht_Nile_River 0.22
11 NE_European 0.07
12 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Yemenese 11.59
2 Bedouin_A 12.36
3 Yemenite_Jew 14.51
4 Saudi 15.43
5 Libyan 19.55
6 Egyptian 20.7
7 Jordanian 21.22
8 Syrian 22.75
9 Iraqi_Jew 23.89
10 Palestinian 25.6
11 Lebanese 26.36
12 Samaritian 27.27
13 Druze 30.04
14 Cypriot 35.57
15 Moroccan 37.08
16 Sephardic_Jew 37.48
17 Assyrian 37.61
18 Somali_Benadiri 37.79
19 Mozabite_Berber 38.23
20 Ashkenazy_Jew 38.4

[StonyArabia]

Arab world is large and diverse and it's not about race but language and culture. Only Gulf Arabs can be considered true arabs yet they don't make the majority of arab world. Lebanese people are not the least arabs among arabs. It would be Maghrebis i think. I find it understandable that Lebanese Christians wants to seperate themselves from Arabs since they lack the most important thing (islam) that holds arab world tight. Muslim arabs are proud to be Arabs since Islam was founded by Arabs, it's the opposite for Christian Arabs i think.

Correct Morrocans are the least Arabian influenced people genetically and culturally. Their dialect is mostly Berber rather than Arabic and most Arabic speakers don't understand them. As for Gulf Arabs not everyone residing in the Gulf is of Arab ancestry, some are of Persian, Baluchi, African and Indian ancestry, however the Arabian tribes are indeed true Arabians. Also the term Gulf Arab is a misnomer because it refers to Eastern Arabia and not interior of Arabian peninsula where the majority of ethnic Arabians live. Basically you got it right. Lebanese Christians want to form their own identity, well most Muslim Arabs are proud to have Arabian culture even if they are not ethnically Arabian due to the influence of Islam. That said some Arab Christians are also of Bedouin stock a small minority, they don't bs like this. They even wear the same attire, the difference seems to be in body type for some reason they are more robust their Muslim counterparts, they exist in Jordan and some ethnic southern Iraqi Arabs are also Christian. I share with one on 23andme and seen his gedmatch result this Jordanian Bedouin christian clusters with Saudis and Yemenite Jews. Southern Iraqis cluster with Saudis regardless of religious or sectarian affiliation, with few outliers of course.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

There are at least 4 since 2016. I can link them if you want.

Please do so. I'm sure your googling ability is far superior to my own.

This was said in May of 2016.

However, the researchers note that studies of the ancient DNA of Phoenicians are ongoing, and expect to make further progress in unraveling this genetic mystery.
https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...uman-migration

Maybe you're confused or think haplogroups are the same as genetic sequencing.

[amoora]

I always heard that Lebanese, especially Christians, were not Arab. My mum doesn't call herself Arab, she'll just say Lebanese. Phoenician heritage is definitely acknowledged more. I see Arab as more of a cultural and linguistic thing though...like the way Hispanic is. I have friends from mexico who are native american, but call themselves latino/hispanic because their country is spanish speaking.

Since I speak Arabic I don't have a problem being called Arab, even though I know the majority of my genetic makeup is not Arab.

[Smeagol]

Only Gulf Arabs can be considered true arabs.

Not only gulf Arabs but peninsular Arabs in general.