Ratko Mladic will rot in prison.

[Mary]

Why have you mention military equipment Croatians buy after the war ?

During the war they hadn't much weapons: Croatia’s history with the MiG-21 dates back to the Homeland War, the nation’s struggle for independence that broke out in the summer of 1990. Initially relying upon adapted agricultural aircraft and bomb-carrying Cessnas borrowed from flying clubs, Croatia received its first MiGs via defections from Yugoslavia.

2) the Yugo army directly attack the breakaway Republics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar

Units involved
Yugoslav People's Army: Yugoslav Ground Forces Yugoslav Navy Yugoslav Air Force Republic of Serbia Territorial Defence Forces Serb Volunteer Guard White Eagles	Republic of Croatia Armed Forces: Croatian National Guard (to November 1991) Croatian Army(from November 1991) Croatian Police Croatian Defence Forces

The Battle of Vukovar was an 87-day siege of Vukovar in eastern Croatia by the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA), supported by various paramilitary forces from Serbia, between August and November 1991.

The attacking force included JNA soldiers conscripted from across Yugoslavia, members of the TO, Chetniks (Serbian nationalist paramilitaries), local Serb militiamen and units of the Yugoslav Navy and the Yugoslav Air Force.^[53] At their peak, the Yugoslav and Serb forces in the vicinity of Vukovar numbered about 36,000.^[56] They were equipped with heavy artillery, rockets and tanks and supported by aircraft and naval vessels on the Danube.^[53]
Although the battle was fought primarily by the federal Yugoslav military, the government of Serbia was directly involved. The Serbian secret police agency, the SDB, took part in military operations, and some of its officers commanded Serbian TO units fighting in Vukovar.^[57] Serbia's Ministry of Internal Affairs directed the activities of the paramilitaries.^[58] It was also responsible for arming and equipping them.^[59] Slobodan Milošević was later accused of direct involvement. According to Veselin Šljivančanin, who was later convicted of war crimes committed at Vukovar, the order to shell Vukovar came "from Dedinje" – the elite Belgrade quarter where Milošević lived.<sup>[60]

4) haven't you said you supported ethnic countries ?

The Albanians were absolute majority in Kosovo. Serbians claim the region on the historical right, depsite being absolute minority, but at same time they claim Voivodine on ethnic criterium (it is historical Hungarian land)
, after numerous colonization waves from balkanite Serbians.


Isn't that hypocrisy ?</sup>

1) My mistake I though that it was about what they got during he war. Either way they got weapons from the West everyone knows it.

2) I thought that we were talking about the war in Krajina?

3) Yes of course but Kosovo isn't about ethnic states. It's about the principle of territorial integrity, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_integrity once Bill Clinton broke that rule he set the stage for all the wars that we see now, and the wars that we will see in the future. It was a huge fuck up.

[Mary]

Bosniak did killed 20 - 50 people in some villages, but nobody killed 8500 people in a single city.

We have lost 30.000 soldiers, and 30.000 civilians, while Serbian Orthodoxes lost 25.000 soldiers and 5.000 civilians

That's a HUGE difference.

Ethnic cleansing was done by Serbs not by Bosnian people.

1) Those were not 8500 civilians.

2) They were Muslim soldiers that went to hide in Srebrenica to get away from the Serbs. If they would have surrendered they probably wouldn't have been killed.

3) The point of Srebrenica was to let civilians be safe there. It wasn't meant for soldiers to have a safe space.

4) You lost those people because your leaders decided to fight instead of negotiate. Because they were told by Bill Clinton that it was going to be awesome.

[Bosniensis]

1) Those were not 8500 civilians.

2) They were Muslim soldiers that went to hide in Srebrenica to get away from the Serbs. If they would have surrendered they probably wouldn't have been killed.

3) They point of Srebrenica was to let civilians be safe there. It wasn't meant for soldiers to have a safe space.

Well that's how it is, if you believe Orthodox Serbs.

Truth is, it was Ethnic Cleansing of Civilians.

Complete families with 10+ members have been murdered, their names are now written in Srebrenica graves.

Soldiers have different last names, not 10 exact last names.

[Stears]

1) My mistake I though that it was about what they got during he war. Either way they got weapons from the West everyone knows it.

2) I thought that we were talking about the war in Krajina?

3) Yes of course but Kosovo isn't about ethnic states. It's about the principle of territorial integrity, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_integrity once Bill Clinton broke that rule he set the stage for all the wars that we see now, and the wars that we will see in the future. It was a huge fuck up.

The problem is, teritorial integrity of Kingdom of Hungary wasn't respected at all, and nobody has raise their voice about the injustice.

So why is the late 20th century wars suprise ?

[Mary]

Hahahahahaha

Who will divide Hungary ? The Romanian gypos ?

You have lost the war in record speed, and Bucharest was captured (like the Belgrade too). without the american entry in the war, the fate of Romania would be small strip of land in Wallachia (your original homeland).

Deal with it.

What are you talking about?

Romanian occupation of Hungary[edit]
Romania occupied all of Hungary with the exception of an area around Lake Balaton. There, Admiral Miklós Horthy formed a militia with arms from Romania.[15]. 612 Horthy was preparing to be Hungary's new leader at the end of Romanian occupation. Horthy's supporters included some far-right nationalists.[21] Horthy's supporters also included members of the White Guards who had persecuted Bolsheviks and the Hungarian Jewish peoples, whom they perceived as a communist group given their disproportionate participation in Kun's government.[15]. 616[22]. 80–86 and 120. Horthy's nationalists and Romanian troops took steps to protect Hungary's Jewish peoples. The Romanian occupying force also took punitive actions against any revolutionary elements in areas under their control.[23]
Initially, Romanian troops provided policing and administrative services in occupied Hungary. Later, under pressure from the Allied council, these roles were returned to the Hungarian people.[22]. 52However, in Budapest, only 600 carbines were provided to arm 3,700 policemen.
Romanian reparations[edit]

Romanian soldiers feeding the civilian population in Hungary

Romanian infantry patrol in Budapest.
The Allied council was discontented with Romania's conduct during much of the Hungarian-Romanian war. Romania did not follow the Allied council's instructions, for example, by moving west of the Tisza river and by demanding large reparations.[24][25][22]. xxii and xxviii
The Allied council decided that Hungary should pay war reparations in common with the Central Powers. The council pressured Romania to accept the supervision of an Inter-Allied Military Mission to superintend the disarmament of the Hungarian army and to see the Romanian troops withdraw.[22]. xxviii[15]. 614
The Inter-Allied Military Mission committee included General Harry Hill Bandholtz (US) who wrote a detailed diary of the events[22] Reginald Gorton (Great Britain), Jean César Graziani (France), and Ernesto Mombelli (Italy).[22]. 32 Lieutenant Colonel Guido Romanelli (Italy), Mombelli's secretary and former military representative of the Supreme Council in Budapest was accused of being biased against Romania and so was replaced.[15]. 616
The relationship between the Inter-Allied Military Mission and Romania was one of *********[22]. 45[26]
The Allied council requested Romania not make their own requisition for reparations and to return any captured military assets.[15]. 615 The Inter-Allied Military Mission requested Romania return to Hungary the largely Hungarian populated territiory between the Tisza river and the first line of demarcation.
Romania, under the leadership of Prime Minister Ion Brătianu did not comply with the requests of the Inter-Allied Military Mission. On 15 November 1919, the Allied council denied Romania reparations from Germany.[15]. 635
The outcome of the negotiations was that Bratianu resigned his prime ministership; Romania received one percent of the total reparations from Germany and limited amounts from Bulgaria and Turkey; Romania signed a peace treaty with Austria; Romania kept reparations from Hungary; and Romania's border with Hungary was determined.[15]. 646
Hungary saw the Romanian conditions of armistice as harsh. She saw the requisitioning of quotas of goods as looting.[15]. 614 She was also required to pay the expenses of the occupying troops.
Romania sought to prevent Hungary from re-arming, and sought retribution for the plunder of her land by the Central Powers during World War I.[11][27] Romania, having been denied by the Allied council, also sought compensation for their entire war effort.
Under the terms of the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919) concerning Austria and the Treaty of Trianon concerning Hungary, Romania had to pay a "liberation fee" of 230 millions gold francs to each. Romania also had to assume a share of the public debt of Austria-Hungary corresponding to the size of the former Austria-Hungary territories it now held.[15]. 646

[Mary]

Well that's how it is, if you believe Orthodox Serbs.

Truth is, it was Ethnic Cleansing of Civilians.

Complete families with 10+ members have been murdered, their names are now written in Srebrenica graves.

Soldiers have different last names, not 10 exact last names.

Stop making things up. No one is claiming that Mladic killed civilians in Srebrenica.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

What a mindfuck, Mary's talking about geopolitics instead of posting pornography and giving dietary advices.

[Thiamarkos]

Hahahahahaha

Who will divide Hungary ? The Romanian gypos ?

You have lost the war in record speed, and Bucharest was captured (like the Belgrade too). without the american entry in the war, the fate of Romania would be small strip of land in Wallachia (your original homeland).

Deal with it.

On August 3rd 1919 4 squadrons (400 soldiers) of 6th cavalry regiment of the 4th brigade led by colonel Rusescu arrive on the outskirts of Budapest (at the time a 1 million people city).

Colonel Rusescu's detachment was on an advanced scouting mission, 1 day ahead of the Romanian army. Worried the retreating Hungarian units might decide to defend Budapest Rusescu decides to bluff the city into surrendering. He presents the authorities in Budapest with a stern ultimatum: the Romanian artillery batteries are aimed at the city and unless he returns with the immediate unconditional surrender the bombardment would start in 60 minutes.

What he doesn't tell is the "Romanian artillery batteries" are actually two light artillery pieces, completely outnumbered, outranged and outguned by what the city has in its barracks. Budapest surrenders.

[Stears]

You are wrong.Austria and Hungary conscripted 9 million soldiers during the war (fighting forces were 7,2 million) itself Kingdom of Hungary drafted 4 million soldiers (more than the total male population of preWW1 Romania or the total population of Serbia).The majority (75%) of the army of Hungarian kingdom was Hungarian,and the majority was German speaking in the Austrian part of the Empire. Hungarian army contained more than 1,4 M. soldiers in 1918.


Don't forget, both Romania and Serbia were completly & brutally backward agricultural and rural balkan style countries combined with traditionally backward colonial-level "infrastrucutre". They belonged culturally to the Orthodox eastern civilization. They started the 20th century without industrialization , without serious urbanization, and the majority of their adult male population couldn't read & write before the WW1.So it was not a wonder, that Romania lost the WW1 with record speed. In WW1 history, the shortest period frontline was the Romanian, romanians were able to wage war only for a half year, even Bucharest the capital city was captured within 4 months. Then romania call for armistice in the theatry of Bucharest. Romanian army suffered the highest casualty ratio during the history of WW1.




Despite the A-H forces had not numerical superiority, Serbia lost the ww1 within one year and three months, their defeat led to the complete occupation of Serbia. Near the end of 1915, in a massive rescue operation involving more than 1,000 trips made by Italian, French and British steamers, 260,000 Serb soldiers and the Serbian government were transported to Corfu, where they waited for the chance of the victory of Allied Powers to reclaim their country. Serbian army couldn't return to the empty military evacuated Serbia from the Saloniki front until the end of WW1, after the A-H Monarchy dissolved.


Russian Empire economically & military collapsed and finally the revolution arrived.


After the end of the WW1, by a notion of Woodrow Wilson's pacifism, the naive liberal Hungarian PM Mihály Károlyi ordered the full disarmament of Hungarian Army, which contained more than 1,4 M. soldiers. Also Don't forget, the timed attack of "brave" Czechs Romanians Serbian-French armies started their joint military operations only AFTER the Hungarian total self-disarmament.

[Mary]

The problem is, teritorial integrity of Kingdom of Hungary wasn't respected at all, and nobody has raise their voice about the injustice.

So why is the late 20th century wars suprise ?

1) That's because it wasn't practically possible to keep Hungary together. None of the neighboring countries would accept it. What were they supposed to do? Fight another war (against Rumania, Serbia, and Czechoslovakia combined) to restore Hungary's borders?

2) You got the best deal possible given the circumstances.