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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    E-V13 originated among the late Neolithic cultures from the Balkans or southern Europe as suggested by it's father clade E-L618 having been found in Neolithic Croatia and V13 being found in Neolithic Spain although it has the highest diversity in the Balkans, it's possibly linked to the Cardium pottery culture. The Israelites were J1, J2, E-M123 etc not V13, they will release aDNA from Bronze Age Israel soon which will give us better insights to their haplogroups
    Is the sample from Spain confirmed as having V13 mutation?

    It is interesting what will be aDNA from ancient Israel. When the data will be released?

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    Nothing because he probably didn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teucer View Post
    Nothing because he probably didn't exist.
    Even fictional characters can have determined hg.

    For example, there is a fictional character from literature, let's say fictional
    Arnold Copernikus living in the year 2523 from the yet fictional novel: "Trek
    to the Andromeda", who is described as descendant of Nicolaus Copernicus.
    Then his hg will be certainly R1b, as the needed requirements are describing,
    what hg the guy should be. So even if you consider Abram the Abraham to
    be a fictional, then you certainly can say what hg supposedly he can be.

    And certainly he cannot be E, the same as can't be M or H, or R1.

    But he obviously existed, he was a progenitor of the Israelites,
    Edomites, Midianites, Nabateans and many others, and he was J1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Even fictional characters can have determined hg.

    For example, there is a fictional character from literature, let's say fictional
    Arnold Copernikus living in the year 2523 from the yet fictional novel: "Trek
    to the Andromeda", who is described as descendant of Nicolaus Copernicus.
    Then his hg will be certainly R1b, as the needed requirements are describing,
    what hg the guy should be. So even if you consider Abram the Abraham to
    be a fictional, then you certainly can say what hg supposedly he can be.

    And certainly he cannot be E, the same as can't be M or H, or R1.

    But he obviously existed, he was a progenitor of the Israelites,
    Edomites, Midianites, Nabateans and many others, and he was J1.
    If we want to infer then he was probably some variety of J.

    Why, just because they say that he was?
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    The most incredible thing about Abraham isn't his haplogroup, but the fact he was chaldean much before the existence of Chaldea (Chronological errors in Bible).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teucer View Post
    Why, just because they say that he was?
    Just becasue the historical source says, he was.
    The same as about Charlemagne, Alexander the Great, Nabuchodonozor aso...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyakh View Post
    Is the sample from Spain confirmed as having V13 mutation?

    It is interesting what will be aDNA from ancient Israel. When the data will be released?
    Yes it is confirmed V13. The data will be released either this year or early next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    The most incredible thing about Abraham isn't his haplogroup, but the fact he was chaldean much before the existence of Chaldea (Chronological errors in Bible).
    Noone never said, he was Chaldean.
    You are arguing with your own imaginations.
    But Chaldeans obviously existed at that time
    and if they have something to do with the
    Arpachshad, then he was. But the text does
    not say it, neither claims. Being from the city
    Ur Kaśdim, doesn;t mean being a Chaldean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Just becasue the historical source says, he was.
    The same as about Charlemagne, Alexander the Great, Nabuchodonozor aso...
    Are you claiming Biblical texts who have it in their interest to present Abraham as a real person to justify their religion as a credible historical source akin to Arian and Plutarch?
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