What haplogroup did Abraham belong to?

[lyakh]

The Bible says that there were only 14 generations from Abraham (who lived about 4000 ybp) to David (who lived about 3000 ybp): http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=47 So it makes the possibility of Z18271 being Jacob's (or maybe even Abraham's) haplogroup more probable. Z18271 exapnds quite suddenly and rapidly (about 2623 ybp according to Genogenea's tree, about 2900 ybp according to YFull or about 3800 ybp if it is the haplogroup of Jacob). The Book of Numbers says that there were more than 600 000 Israelites during the Exodus time (so well before 3000 ybp) (http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=4).

id:HG01571 from YFull tree and 1kGP#HG01571 from Genogenea's tree are the same person - http://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPerson.php?personID=1945.

[kingjohn]

don't listen to rethel he was E from the seed of ham

[Rethel]

[kingjohn]

[lyakh]

In info in YFull tree there was a suggestion that age of Y3088 is 2948 ybp. YF01470 has 21 SNPs below Y3088 level, YF01883 - also 21 SNPs, YF03255 - 22 SNPs, YF05308 - 26 SNPs, YF07855 - 25 SNPs, YF07862 - 21 SNPs, YF08412 - 16 SNPs, YF10053 - 20 SNPs, ERR1395620 - 26 SNPs, YF01553 - 12 SNPs, YF11139 - 7 SNPs. Ages by single lines only for Y3088 vary from 1145 years for YF11139 to 4018 years for YF07855 (which could suggest that it could be even older than biblical Jacob; I suppose that Y3088 is the lineage of Jacob or maybe even Abraham). Corrected numbers of SNPs vary from 7.51 for YF11139 to 27.41 for YF07855. Formula used to estimate age of haplogroups in YFull info page is ((corrected number of SNPs)*144,41)+60 (years). And YFull estimated ages of haplogroups may be 20-25% lower than factual ages of them... So it seems that Israel's haplogroup can be Y3088 (aka Z18271?).

One of branches of supposed Jacob's haplogroup probably expanded about 1500 - 2000 ybp (or maybe earlier, because Y3088 itself can be significantly older than YFull suggests), it is Y5400 from YFull tree. There are 12 SNPs at Y5400 level. There are two branches of Y5400 on YFull tree: Y31161 (with 3 SNPs at that level) and Y5399 (with 8 SNPs at that level). Y13968 is a branch of Y5399. There are two members of Y31161 clade and six members of Y5399 clade (two of them belong to Y13968 clade). There are also two Y3088* samples, two FGC17491 samples and one ZS2458 sample. 8 of 13 Y3088 samples from YFull tree belong to probably relatively young subclade Y5400.

I do not think that Y3088/Z18271 was Aaron's haplogroup, but I think that it is a serious candidate for being the haplogroup of Jacob.

FTDNA#221995 has surname Cohen despite being not S12192. He belongs to Z18290 branch (from Genogenea's tree).

[Grab the Gauge]

Abraham belonged to Haplogroup A00 and resembled this portrait:





His son Ishmael:

[lyakh]

There is another serious candidate for being Abraham's haplogroup - J1-FGC8712 aka J1-Y6074.

YFull estimates the age of that branch as 3100 ybp on the tree, but in info page about Y6074 the age is estimated as 3753 ybp, which is really close to the time of Abraham. Genogenea's tree estimates the age of FGC8712 as 4067 ybp or 3376 ybp. There are three branches of FGC8712: L859 (most of which members (according to the page https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults) have mutation FGC10500, which appears to be about 1240 years old (according to Genogenea's tree)), L615 (rather small branch, found in United Arab Emirates) and Jewish ZS2102.

ZS2102 appears to be significantly bottlenecked due to low STR distances (about 6 - 8 mutations) on 67 markers between members of this branch, so TMRCA of this Jewish branch may be not older than about 1500 ybp. #N141240 is ZS2102+, but we do not know if he is positive or negative for other SNPs found in the cases of #155666 and #75516. Maybe #N141240 ordered SNP pack, not Big Y. #343472 shares many SNPs with #155666 and #75516, but he is negative for ZS2121, ZS2122, ZS2123. On Genogenea's tree #155666 and #75516 are mentioned as sharing SNPs ZS2102, ZS2104, ZS2106-ZS2109, ZS2111, ZS2113-ZS2127. Here is the page of FGC8712 project (results): https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults.

[Kriptc06]

likely J

[lyakh]

L859 appears to be also bottlenecked. It may be shrinked if we will know more about SNPs of #188768 and #243233. #188768 and #243233 differ between themselves on 11 STR mutations on 67 markers. #661032 and #M8985 are FGC10500+ and differ on about 19 mutations. Interesting are also #E8519 from Germany and #319752 from Saudi Arabia. Maybe they are splitting from known lineages early?

[wvwvw]

Abraham was a Mittani Hittite for a start and his dna lineage was likely of the J2 Anatolian lineage, the same as that of the Greeks, Hittites, Persians, and Phoenicians.