Pazyryk Scythian aDNA results (mtDNA)

**~~Böri~~** · 01-13-2018, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Manzikert

Somehow Pazyryk sample is removed from Gedmatch.

Online coup. Literally.
Indo-Germen chauvinism.
Hell.

**Leto** · 01-13-2018, 05:41 PM

Calm down, guys. So much hatred about nothing. The Scythians were neither Slavic, nor Turkic. However, the actual Scythians might have looked like what we now call 'white'. No surprise, given that the Sintashta were definitely white (see the chart posted above by Litvin).

**Proto-Shaman** · 01-14-2018, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by El Litvino

Hahaha more similar to East Slavs than to Turks from Anatolia.

Calm down frustrated clown

Similarity rates for other parts of the world with Eurogenes K36

**Pahli** · 01-14-2018, 12:57 AM

Eastern Scythians were Mongoloid mixed no shit, but we know shit about their language, so automatically assuming they are Turkic or Iranic without proof is retarded.

Scythians and Sarmatians were described as Caucasoid anyway, at least those that were living in Central Asia, Russia and Europe.

**RN97** · 01-14-2018, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Manzikert

%40-50 East Eurasian.

Scythians wuz Indo-Yuropeen n shieet.

They spoke a Indo-European language. From genetic data of Indo-Europeans, we know that they are more similar to Europeans than most modern people. Indo-Europeans would often conquer/ settle in a area, mix with the natives and create a civilization. This happened in India, Iran, Armenia and all throughout Europe among other places. It means that Schytians were to old (likely paternal) origin related to modern Europeans as Iranians among others are for example. It doesn't mean they were European racially. Likely a lot of the western Schytians were more like Europeans than the eastern ones. How much like us? IDK. I don't really care personally. However it's safe to say that the ones they got a large part of their culture from and their language were indeed indo-Europeans.

**Pahli** · 01-14-2018, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by RN97

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Lol, some of them were more North European than half of Europe lmfao

**RN97** · 01-14-2018, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Pahli

Lol, some of them were more North European than half of Europe lmfao

Maybe that's the case. I think it's more correct to say "indo-European" rather than "north European". Welsh-like n. Euro is very different from Lithuanian like for example. On some genetic studies like the ones Litivn showed, some do have a lot of Yamnaya-like ancestry with quite little mongoloid.

**~~Pennywise~~** · 01-14-2018, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by RN97

They spoke a Indo-European language. From genetic data of Indo-Europeans, we know that they are more similar to Europeans than most modern people. Indo-Europeans would often conquer/ settle in a area, mix with the natives and create a civilization. This happened in India, Iran, Armenia and all throughout Europe among other places. It means that Schytians were to old (likely paternal) origin related to modern Europeans as Iranians among others are for example. It doesn't mean they were European racially. Likely a lot of the western Schytians were more like Europeans than the eastern ones. How much like us? IDK. I don't really care personally. However it's safe to say that the ones they got a large part of their culture from and their language were indeed indo-Europeans.

The original Scythians spoke an Indo-European language, that is true. The ones in Altai region (Pazyryk people), not certain. Should they be called "Scythian" to begin with? That's an another question. But based on their genetic data, they seem to heavily mixed with Siberian/East Asian (most likely Turkic) populations and it is possible that they might have spoken Turkic. Or at least, we may assume they were bilinguals.

**Pahli** · 01-14-2018, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Manzikert

The original Scythians spoke an Indo-European language, that is true. The ones in Altai region (Pazyryk people), not certain. Should they be called "Scythian" to begin with? That's an another question. But based on their genetic data, they seem to heavily mixed with Siberian/East Asian (most likely Turkic) populations and it is possible that they might have spoken Turkic. Or at least, we may assume they were bilinguals.

I opt for this theory too.

**blogen** · 01-14-2018, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

Calm down, guys. So much hatred about nothing. The Scythians were neither Slavic, nor Turkic. However, the actual Scythians might have looked like what we now call 'white'. No surprise, given that the Sintashta were definitely white (see the chart posted above by Litvin).

Pamiroid Hungarian girl:

Definitely not white, hovewer, looks swarthy caucasoid for the superficial observer (the white peoples are blonde haired, light eyed and skinned peoples, the dark hair is not white)!