Ancient Egyptians on GEDmatch

[Lucas]

We Waz Kangz or Shit?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ent-mummy.html

Big blow for anthrocentrists

The face of Nebiri revealed: Scientists reconstruct the head of the ancient Egyptian 'Chief of Stables', 3,500 years after he died of heart failure

A 3,500-year-old noble Egyptian called Nebiri has been brought back to life through modern forensics.

Scientists have reconstructed the face of the ancient mummy, and discovered he had a prominent nose, wide jaw, straight eyebrows and moderately thick lips.

In the process they have also discovered an unusual embalming treatment used by ancient Egyptians, in which linen was packed into the head cavity to maintain its structure.

Nebiri is thought to have been a member of the Egyptian elite who served as the Chief of the Stables, looking after royal horses, during the reign of Thutmoses III, a pharaoh from the 18th Dynasty of ancient Egypt.

His remains were discovered in the Valley of the Queens in Luxor in 1904, but as the tomb has been plundered, just his head and jars containing his organs remained.

Researchers from the University of Turin have now used a range of facial reconstruction techniques to produce an impressive facial approximation.

To reconstruct his face, the researchers used a mixture of computer modelling and anthropological research.

The team then used a computer programme to start to build up a picture of the Egyptian’s face.

Because we researchers know the thickness of soft tissue for man of his age, they can then create depth marker so that they know what the distance should be between the bone and skin.

The researchers then used the depth pegs to work out where the muscle tissue would have been placed.


Speaking to Live Science, Raffaella Bianucci, who led the study, said: 'He was between 45 [and] 60 years old when he died.

'His tomb in the Valley of the Queens was plundered in antiquity and his body deliberately destroyed.'

The reconstruction suggests that Nebiri was a man with a large nose, wide jaw, thick lips and straight eyebrows.

Philippe Charlier, a forensic pathologist and physical anthropologist at the University of Paris 5, said: 'The reconstruction is nice, but this is not just art in my eyes.

'It is a serious forensic work based on the latest techniques of facial reconstruction and soft tissues over skull superposition.
'Beyond beauty, there is anatomical reality.'

The scans also reveal that Nebiri's mummified head was packaged in a unique way, using linens that had been treated with a complex mix of animal fats or plant oil, an aromatic plant, and two types of resin.

[Rethel]

Much more interesting would be au of those from Early Dynastic Period from the
people, and hgs of all possible kings regardless epoche, but the older, the better.

1500 BC is not bad, but it is quite late - just when Indoeuropeans were pharaos
and after hundrets of years of semitic, canaanic and hurrian migrations there.

[Kamal900]

Why the Gedmatch kits for these three Egyptian samples were removed from Gedmatch?

[Bobby Martnen]

Here are their Eurogenes K15 and Dodecad K12b.

One of the three goes in the direction of Ashkenazim, Sicilians, etc. The other two are more like a mixture of modern Egyptians and Levantines.

Here's an average
East Med: 41.50
Red Sea: 22.27
West Med: 16.18
Atlantic: 6.40
Northeast African: 5.31
Sub Saharan: 2.44
South Asian: 2.02
Baltic: 1.64
West Asian: 1.16
Southeast Asian: 1.06
Amerindian: 0.02

On the K15 plot: (731, 695)



Significantly closer to Europe than modern Egyptians, which supports my theory that they have a lot of Arabian admixture.

[Bobby Martnen]

So that gladiator from York was probably Egyptian, as his results are very similar to these Egyptians.

That gladiator is intermediate between modern Copts and modern Samaritans, which was confusing.

But now it turns out, that ancient Egyptians were also intermediate between Copts and Samaritans.

@Peterski do you have any Coptic Gedmatches?

[Bobby Martnen]

bahahaha...ok, to me she reminds me of Michelle Obama, and Tut himself looked like Malia Obama

Malia Obama is at least 25% European (and probably closer to 35%, given that the average Black American with roots in slavery is ~20% White) and has a mostly Caucasoid nose.

[Kamal900]

Here's an average
East Med: 41.50
Red Sea: 22.27
West Med: 16.18
Atlantic: 6.40
Northeast African: 5.31
Sub Saharan: 2.44
South Asian: 2.02
Baltic: 1.64
West Asian: 1.16
Southeast Asian: 1.06
Amerindian: 0.02

On the K15 plot: (731, 695)



Significantly closer to Europe than modern Egyptians, which supports my theory that they have a lot of Arabian admixture.

Not really. If anything really, the ancient Egyptian cluster more closer to my people than to Europeans. The ancient Egyptian is from the Roman period of Egypt, and the sample(Egyptian3) is more closer to me and my cousin than to other Egyptians including the ancient Egyptians from the new kingdom(Egyptian1, Egyptian2):

[Dragoon]

Wouldnt it make sense that Ancient Egyptians were of various colors, like depicted on some the texts?

light-red-brown: Egyptians
somewhat light skinned: Levantines/Caanites
black: Nubians like those of Sudan.
fair skin: Libyans?

The Empire was stretched more too no?

[Dragoon]

Yes tamil people must be caucasians too lol. They arent. He isnt caucasian. Hes just not bantu. But hes east african mixed. Horners are mixed with ssa but they dont have bantu ancestry and their natufian ancestry generally makes them look more caucasian compared to other ssa groups. But they arent caucasians really. They are mixed and have some of their own unique genes / phenotype. Plus they have several hundred and thousand years of them selectively picking mates with certain phenotypes. Even though they are ssa mixed. But it is not caucasian you can tell by looking at it. Look at the head shape. And forehead. Look at the fulani woddabi. Are you going to tell me this fulani is caucasian too? Lol just because they are mixed and dont look like the rest of west africans? You will but many are mixed with west africans. Including these. They look more caucasian shapes than that egyptian statue

I bet you consider modern egyptians caucasoid. Lol. Even though you awknowledge their bantu ssa ancestry

Do you know what Caucasoid means? It does not mean Europeans only.

For many its Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Berbers, Ethopians, Iranians, Indians.

[Mingle]

Not really. If anything really, the ancient Egyptian cluster more closer to my people than to Europeans. The ancient Egyptian is from the Roman period of Egypt, and the sample(Egyptian3) is more closer to me and my cousin than to other Egyptians including the ancient Egyptians from the new kingdom(Egyptian1, Egyptian2):

He didn't mean that Europeans were their closest match, but that ancient Egyptians were more European-shifted than modern Egyptians are i.e. ancient Egyptians were further north.