Assyrian: What language does it sound like to you?

[Mingle]

Although not direct descendants of them, we still would have Babylonian in us because not only we were the least Arabized, our direct ancestors (Akkadians and ancient Assyrians) would have mixed with Babylonians (and also with Sumerians). So it's safe to say that modern Assyrians are mostly Akkadian/ancient Assyrian with some Babylonian and maybe a bit of Sumerian. Furthermore, a lot of Assyrians do alternatively use Babylonian and Sumerian symbols to represent themselves, and not just Akkadian/Assyrian ones (Sargon of Akkad, Ashurism, etc).

Genetically, yes, you'd be mixed with them a bit. But they are extinct as an ethnilinguistic group.

My only question is where did the original Semitic-speakers, who came to be us, come from (the Levant? North Africa?)....

Proto-Semites originated in the Levant.

And if modern Assyrians are a Semitic Akkadian/Assyrian and non-Semitic Sumerian mix (at least, are we more "more" Sumerian than Arabs)?

Yeah, I would say so.

[Zroota]

Proto-Semites originated in the Levant.

Where exactly in the Levant? What modern day country? Because the Levant region seems to sprawl towards northern Mesopotamia (southeastern Turkey and Northern Iraq) as well in some cases.

[Mingle]

Where exactly in the Levant? What modern day country? Because the Levant region seems to sprawl towards northern Mesopotamia (southeastern Turkey and Northern Iraq) as well in some cases.

Northern Syria.

[Böri]

Assyrian priest of an Assyrian church in southeastern Turkey, dating back 343 AD introduces his church and village to Trt English. He speaks Turkish:



Assyrians were overrun and sometimes victim of pogroms by Kurds and Muslim Arabs from the region.
They are much older than Kurds in that region. Sometimes seeing Kurds claiming southeast Turkey is unrightful for this reason.
Assyrians had a state and a very long history there, whereas Muslim-Iranic Kurds never did so.
Anyway no one is more rightful than the Turkic state, but after Turks it would be Assyrians as rights come in Mesopotamian Turkey. Not Kurds who came from İran as immigrants playing for the 'religious weakness' of Turks and settling the region before claiming it also by outnumbering Christian natives.

[Mingle]

Assyrian priest of an Assyrian church in southeastern Turkey, dating back 343 AD introduces his church and village to Trt English. He speaks Turkish:



Assyrians were overrun and sometimes victim of pogroms by Kurds and Muslim Arabs from the region.
They are much older than Kurds in that region. Sometimes seeing Kurds claiming southeast Turkey is unrightful for this reason.
Assyrians had a state and a very long history there, whereas Muslim-Iranic Kurds never did so.
Anyway no one is more rightful than the Turkic state, but after Turks it would be Assyrians as rights come in Mesopotamian Turkey. Not Kurds who came from İran as immigrants playing for the 'religious weakness' of Turks and settling the region before claiming it also by outnumbering Christian natives.

I heard that Kurds only came to Turkey after Chaldiran. Do you know around which century Zaza people came to Turkey? Did they come to Turkey at the same time as Kurds?

[Böri]

I heard that Kurds only came to Turkey after Chaldiran. Do you know around which century Zaza people came to Turkey? Did they come to Turkey at the same time as Kurds?

I think that was more or less same time. Kurds (and Zazas) played and still play the religious 'drug' card to weaken Turks psychologically and get what they want. Yo know like we are good Muslims, but it's haram if you don't give us what we wantz and sh.tz etc.
Good part of modern Kurds are Islamicized Armenians and Assyrians. They claim the land which never belonged to them as theirs.

[Kamal900]

Where exactly in the Levant? What modern day country? Because the Levant region seems to sprawl towards northern Mesopotamia (southeastern Turkey and Northern Iraq) as well in some cases.

Most likely the Southern Levant as we know the disparity of the J1e haplogroup from that region to Arabia is somewhat of an indication of the proto-Semitic speakers spreading from the Levant to Arabia and later on to east Africa.

[Mingle]

Most likely the Southern Levant as we know the disparity of the J1e haplogroup from that region to Arabia is somewhat of an indication of the proto-Semitic speakers spreading from the Levant to Arabia and later on to east Africa.

All sources say the northern Levant (based on linguistic analysis) if you search this info. The Fertile Crescent was very mixed and haplogroups aren't a good thing to rely on here.

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[Kamal900]

All sources say the northern Levant (based on linguistic analysis) if you search this info. The Fertile Crescent was very mixed and haplogroups aren't a good thing to rely on here.

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Hmm, I'm not exactly sure which region in the Levant they came from considering that it's not quite clear, but yes, I think it's most likely from places like Syria where they first originated in accordance to this study 9 years ago:

We used Bayesian phylogenetic methods to elucidate the relationships and divergence dates of Semitic languages, which we then related to epigraphic and archaeological records to produce a comprehensive hypothesis of Semitic origins and dispersals after the divergence of ancestral Semitic from Afroasiatic in Africa (figure 1). We estimate that: (i) Semitic had an Early Bronze Age origin (approx. 5750 YBP) in the Levant, followed by an expansion of Akkadian into Mesopotamia; (ii) Central and South Semitic diverged earlier than previously thought throughout the Levant during the Early to Middle Bronze Age transition; and (iii) Ethiosemitic arose as the result of a single, possibly pre-Aksumite, introduction of a lineage from southern Arabia to the Horn of Africa approximately 2800 YBP. Furthermore, we employed the first use of log BFs to statistically test competing language histories and provide support for a Near Eastern origin of Semitic. Our inferences shed light on the complex history of Semitic, address key questions about Semitic origins and dispersals, and provide important hypotheses to test with new data and analyses.

The Central Semitic branch is characterized first by a divergence into Arabic and the Levantine languages (Aramaic, Hebrew and Ugaritic) at least 3650 YBP and possibly shortly after East and West Semitic diverged (figures 1 and ​and2,2, node B). The Levantine languages subsequently diverged into separate lineages by approximately 4050 YBP (figures 1 and ​and2,2, node C), but possibly as early as approximately 4400 YBP. The expansion of the Levantine languages of Central Semitic approximately 3650–4400 YBP was probably part of the migration process that was definitive of the transition from the Early to the Middle Bronze Age in the Levant (Ehrich 1992; Ilan 2003; Richard 2003a). This period in the Levant involved the devolution of many urban societies at the end of the Early Bronze Age (Richard 2003a) and their replacement with new urban societies that were culturally and morphologically distinct at the start of the Middle Bronze Age (Ilan 2003). Our analysis suggests that the shift in urban populations during the Early to Middle Bronze Age may be temporally associated with the wider expansion of Central Semitic in the Levant.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2839953/

The J1e haplogroup among Arabians and Jews even was indeed originated in the Levant, and the disparity of the haplogroup from the Levant to Arabia and later on to East Africa can hint us on how the proto-Semitic speakers spread from the Levant to the arid areas of Arabia.

The Arabian Y-DNA J1 Project - Results

1-(J1) Haplogroup is believed to have been generated some 10,000 years ago south of the Levant and in the heart of the Arabian Peninsula (Source is National Geographic Genetic Project)

2-(J1) Haplogroup is very common in Arabs and Jews (about 65% of Bedouins) and (almost half of national geographic data base J1 persons are Jew) (source is Semino et al.: Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area) and (National Geographic Genetic Project).

3-Research shows that (J1) haplogroup makes about 72% of Yemen people, 34% of UAE people, 58% of Qatari people, 50% of Iraq people, 55% of Palestinian Arabs, 48% of Oman People, 34% of Tunisian, and 35% of Algerian. Rest of these countries populations is a mixture of other Haplogroups. (Source: Y-chromosome diversity characterizes the Gulf of Oman by Cadenas et al. 2008) and (Semino et al. : Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area) and (The Levant Versus the Horn of Africa by J.R Luis et al 2004).

4-(J1) haplogroup had expanded to the rest of the world all over history but distinctively during two main periods. It had expanded out from the Fertile Crescent about 7000-9000 years ago during the Neolithic times (last part of the stone age). The other period was during Arab migration with the expansion of Islamic empire on 6th century AC. (source Nadia Al-Zahery et al research).

5-To confirm J haplogroup type, deep SNP tests must be used. For J1, M267 SNP must be positive. Many other SNP are being discovered as research progresses which links smaller groups together (tribes and clans) such as the Big Y test by FTDNA which will draw the YDNA tree of this unique haplogroup.

6-Main cluster of Arabic J1 holder were found around SNP L222. Two distinctive groups are visible those are have it and those who don't have have it. Many researchers have made many conclusions on its link to Adnanite or Qahtanite as well Hashemite linking. Refer to the research forums on the web form more information.


7-More and more sub groups are being formed creating the bigger Aabian tribes family tree to the extent that almost major tribes SNP were identified. Still more links are being discovered while more testing results get published.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ection=results

[Pahli]

Do not listen to Böri, his Turkic people with the help of Kurds massacred the Assyrians of Southeast Turkey and says they can claim the lands when they are all dead? Sometimes I wonder where he got this propaganda from. Kurds have lived in Anatolia for over 1500 years at least.

"The eclipse of the Sasanian and Byzantine power, by the Muslim caliphate, and its own subsequent weakening, let the Kurdish principalities and "mountain administrators" set up new independent states. The Shaddadids of Armenia and Arran, the Rawadids of Azerbaijan, the Marwandis of eastern Anatolia, the Hasanwayhids, Fadhilwayhids, and Ayyarids of the central Zagros are some of these Kurdish dynasties and principalities."