Arpad dynasty DNA (kings of Hungary & Croatia)

[Rethel]

Yea. Ancient DNA. I can't find any papers for M458. So, I assume there are no ancient DNA samples yet. I heard alot of Z280 was recently discovered in the Baltics. But no M458 among them.

Then, yes, you are right. No claim has any sense.
It could be corded, it could be sarmatian, it could be both, or even none.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I think M458 in Karachay-Balkars is result of Rethelites-settling there. Don't forget that West Slavic tribes (such as Vyatichi) participated in East Slavic creation of Russia. They were mostly probably M458.

[Dibran]

Then, yes, you are right. No claim has a sense.
It could be corded, it could be sarmatian, it could be both, or even none.

True.

[Dibran]

I think M458 in Karachay-Balkars is result of Rethelites-settling there. Don't forget that West Slavic tribes (such as Vyatichi) participated in East Slavic creation of Russia. They were mostly probably M458.

Only Russias mass invasion occurred between 17-1800s, and Karachay-Balkars, Nogais, do not mix(very tribal). Their M458 is also alot different than that found in Russians. Their M458 is older/much more basal. And I think the Nogai speak turkic. It is also within Adyghe and Shapsug tribes within Circassians. The line had to have been absorbed much earlier than recently in their case. It is still most probably Balto-Slavic. But, we won't know until aDNA pops up. What if the Volga Bulgars and Avars spread some branched in the Balkans? Maybe it was Sarmatian and participated in the Slavic ethnogenesis. With L1029 YP515 and L260 descending from it and moving with Slavs. the diversification around Romania is a telling key. We just won't know until we have ancient samples. without it, no ones argument has any legs. Only educated speculation.

[Rethel]

I think M458 in Karachay-Balkars is result of Rethelites-settling there. Don't forget that West Slavic tribes (such as Vyatichi) participated in East Slavic creation of Russia. They were mostly probably M458.

But Rethelites pre-Scythian, Sarmatian whatever. It is doubtfull
if Russians would brought there exactly the basal clades, and
there is no known info about resent founder effect.

On the other hand IEs were there almost since ever, there was
a strong Alanian Kingdom, and Kimmerians, Scythians, Sarmatians,
even some paraHindus did crossing, settling aso there to make the
possibilities more plenty. Also Goths could influenced that area and
it wouldnt be strage if they would spread it across Europe, no matter
they had it originally or did absorb underway.

We just do not know, and all what we can do is to speculate, which
can - and will obviously do - turn into rave, when one day, ancient
samples will emerged. BUT even then it can not to be clear, as the
ancient DNA do not has written what language spoke, and since the
IE commonwealth did broke, there can be no way to recreate all
wanderings and particular changing of subtribality by this clade and
it's subclades during so many millennias.

[Rethel]

It is still most probably Balto-Slavic.

Only two clades.
Rest I deeply doubt, as are spreaded across Europe.
Only types close to me alone, are too much spreded as for Slavic origin.
Rather it came with first IEs or with Sarmatians.
With Slavs could too, but it is hard to imagine, that single wanderings
or slave trade brought basal clades, but did not brought the main ones.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Only Russias mass invasion occurred between 17-1800s, and Karachay-Balkars, Nogais, do not mix(very tribal). Their M458 is also alot different than that found in Russians. Their M458 is older/much more basal. And I think the Nogai speak turkic. It is also within Adyghe and Shapsug tribes within Circassians. The line had to have been absorbed much earlier than recently in their case. It is still most probably Balto-Slavic. But, we won't know until aDNA pops up. What if the Volga Bulgars and Avars spread some branched in the Balkans? Maybe it was Sarmatian and participated in the Slavic ethnogenesis. With L1029 YP515 and L260 descending from it and moving with Slavs. the diversification around Romania is a telling key. We just won't know until we have ancient samples. without it, no ones argument has any legs. Only educated speculation.

Balts don't have it very common, i think.

[Stears]

Try to contain your shock, but it is because.... we are Turkic.

Lunatic kurultáj (aka. Cuman-days) in Kunság (Cumania) minority area? How pathetic.

[Stears]

We share the same core words for culture and lifestyle, like some foods, family, personal identifiers and basic adjectives. We had the same religion. As Hungarians traveled west, we picked up more words from Slavic and Germanic peoples. No surprise. Our founder's names are all Turkic. Founding dynasty is R1. You quote the source that humorously states the the largest portion of Hungarian words are "unknown".

You did the results. You know you ancestry. You know it is intellectually dishonest to say Turkic people are "pure Mongoloid" in any sense of the word. More and more DNA research is being performed that further shows the Eurasian origins of us, and our Eurasian culture pre-Christianity is already a well known fact and is not debated.

Embrace both your European history and your Eurasian roots.

"words for culture and lifestyle, like some foods, family, personal identifiers and basic adjectives" these are some loanwords, but there were more loanwords ( foods, family, personal identifiers and basic adjectives) from German and Latin languages before the language reforms. It doesn't make us German nor Latino.

Only the evil linguists and historians don't know about your fantasy. How sad.... And they globally conspired with their scholars from all around the world. Yes I know that such a conspiracy theories and fantasies exist among less educated proletarian people i Cumania like you and your ancestors. Do you really believe that all scholars conspired against your turanian tales?

[Dragan Ciganovic]

Lunatic kurultáj (aka. Cuman-days) in Kunság (Cumania) minority area? How pathetic.

By this same "logic", as TurulKarom, Hungarians are Buddhists from China!



(Budhist center in Zalaszántó)