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    Lets add, what the Adalbert III (Bela III) had to say in this matter,
    under who's protection the history of the family was written:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cgyek

    In the year of Our Lord's incarnation 819, Ügek, the noblest chieftain
    of Scythia descending from the great house of Magog,
    took to wife in
    Dentumoger the daughter of Prince Eunedubelian, called Emese, from whom he begot a son,
    who was named Álmos. But he is called Álmos from a divine event, because when she was
    pregnant a divine vision appeared to his mother in a dream in the form of a falcon that seemed
    to come to her and impregnate her and made known to her that from her womb a torrent would
    come forth and from her loins glorious kings be generated, but that they would not multiply in
    their own land. Because a dream is called álom in the Hungarian language and his birth was
    predicted in a dream, so he was called Álmos. Or he was called Álmos, that is holy, because
    holy kings and dukes were born of his line.


    He himself claimed to be an Indoeuropean, Scythian, descendat of Japheth.
    So his result to be R1, is perfectly fine and agreeable with his own claimed history.

    In addition it is worthy to add, that according to the same medieval
    legends, Hungarians as a folk were descendants of Ham and Nemrod.
    So, if they knew the difference, then we shouldn;t be surrprized also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    So his result makes a lot of sense.
    Also if it would turn to be Z280 would make also.
    ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    Ügek
    He was a mythical ancestor only.

    Ügyek: From the Finno-Ugric origin Hungarian word: üd/üg (holy) with the Magyar diminutive: "k" or from the Turkic üge/öge (prudent) with the Magyar diminutive: "k". The Turkic origin loanword is the less probable, but grammarly proper. The Finno-Ugric origin world is presumably version, because the mythical role of this person: the holy ancestor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    ?
    If guy was bearing slavic name, and he would have slavic
    haplotype it would be self explainable, wouldn;t it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    Lets add, what the Adalbert III (Bela III) had to say in this matter,
    under who's protection the history of the family was written:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cgyek

    In the year of Our Lord's incarnation 819, Ügek, the noblest chieftain
    of Scythia descending from the great house of Magog,
    took to wife in
    Dentumoger the daughter of Prince Eunedubelian, called Emese, from whom he begot a son,
    who was named Álmos. But he is called Álmos from a divine event, because when she was
    pregnant a divine vision appeared to his mother in a dream in the form of a falcon that seemed
    to come to her and impregnate her and made known to her that from her womb a torrent would
    come forth and from her loins glorious kings be generated, but that they would not multiply in
    their own land. Because a dream is called álom in the Hungarian language and his birth was
    predicted in a dream, so he was called Álmos. Or he was called Álmos, that is holy, because
    holy kings and dukes were born of his line.


    He himself claimed to be an Indoeuropean, Scythian, descendat of Japheth.
    So his result to be R1, is perfectly fine and agreeable with his own claimed history.

    In addition it is worthy to add, that according to the same medieval
    legends, Hungarians as a folk were descendants of Ham and Nemrod.
    So, if they knew the difference, then we shouldn;t be surrprized also.
    .... did you read the rest of your link? There is no Slavic name origin here either.

    "It is said, speculated or at least possible that the earlier Grand Princes of the Hungarians were also descendants of the Hun Khans, as well as other Turkic peoples, and through them from some daughters of Emperors of China. Simon of Kéza's Gesta Hunnorum et Hungarorum narrated that royal lineage that makes Hunnic ruler Attila the sixth-generation ancestor of Árpád, conqueror of the Pannonian Basin, through Attila's son Csaba, his son Ed, his son Ügyek, his son Előd, his son Álmos. Álmos was ruler of the Magyars and the father of Árpád."

    The naming origin from your own wiki source says it's either a uniquely Magyar name, or Turkic/Uyghur:

    1) Öge/Üge - Turk dignitary name, according to historian György Györffy. The meaning of it is "wise" and "sage", also "councillor". The word is also used by the uyghurs.

    2) Üge - The last ruler of the Uyghur Empire, also a contemporary to Ügyek. He was murdered in 846 in the Altai Mountains.[5] It is speculated, that when the Empire fell apart, some Uyghur fragments could have escaped westward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    If guy was bearing slavic name
    Wrong, clear Hungarian name with meaning between the Hungarians only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky View Post
    I don;t reconzied it. How it is slavic?
    Łowęta name from 1136 From the old Slavonic lovъ (hunting) +ęta.

    source: Old Polish Personal Name Dictionary, SłSNO. 3: 336

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    R1ETHELITES WUZ KANGZ N SHEEEIT!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    He was a mythical ancestor only.
    Doesn't matter, he was or not.
    The matter is that the story fits
    and that their awereness was correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turul Karom View Post
    .... did you read the rest of your link? There is no Slavic name origin here either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Wrong, clear Hungarian name with meaning between the Hungarians only.
    You said is of slavic provenance...

    Quote Originally Posted by blogen View Post
    Łowęta name from 1136 From the old Slavonic lovъ (hunting) +ęta.

    source: Old Polish Personal Name Dictionary, SłSNO. 3: 336
    Then ok.
    Hard to get from louanta.

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