Ancient Egyptians on GEDmatch

[Leto]

This Egyptian anti-Islamist is among the lightest Egyptians I can think of

[Bobby Martnen]

Obviously. The Muslims have extra African and Arabian input.

Which is why I say Copts are the true Egyptians.

[Bobby Martnen]

This Egyptian anti-Islamist is among the lightest Egyptians I can think of

Is he Coptic?

[Leto]

Is he Coptic?

No, but he left Islam and now criticizes it for which Muzzies send him death threats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamed_Abdel-Samad

[Bobby Martnen]

No, but he left Islam and now criticizes it for which Muzzies send him death threats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamed_Abdel-Samad

That seems to be a fairly common trait in Muslims.

[Kamal900]

Thanks. Closer to Ancient Egyptians than Moslem Egyptians are.

Not exactly. The people today that cluster the closest to the ancient Egyptians are Yemenite Jews, a people who are of Arabian ancestry with small amount of SSA admixture in them. Egyptian Muslims are more admixed to Arabians and SSA than the Copts are, but at the same time, they're not that different since they cluster very closely with Palestinians, Bedouins and other South-West Asiatics than to Europeans or Blacks as a whole.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.14
2 Near_East 26.64
3 North_African 16.83
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.99
5 East_African 9.13
6 Archaic_African 1.90


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ @ 5.362785
2 Egyptian_Mansoura_ @ 6.013190
3 Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 6.046615
4 Egyptian_Kairo_ @ 7.610114
5 Egyptian_Cairo_ @ 8.503502
6 Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 9.436735
7 BedouinA_ @ 10.539614
8 Palestinian_ @ 11.942020
9 Jordanian_ @ 13.855069
10 Samaritian_ @ 16.730040
11 Egyptian_Iskandaria_ @ 16.948162
12 Tunisian_Jew_ @ 17.015190
13 Lebanese_ @ 17.512352
14 Syrian_ @ 17.704489
15 Muslim_Arabs_Israel_ @ 17.786228
16 Yemen_ @ 17.926384
17 Libyan_Jew_ @ 18.185209
18 Yemenite_Jew_ @ 19.059916
19 Lebanese_Muslim_ @ 19.115658
20 Lebanese_Christian_ @ 20.090094

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ +50% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ @ 5.362785


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Mansoura_ +25% Tunisian_Jew_ +25% Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.962468


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.779230
2 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.784524
3 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.827969
4 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.903878
5 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.960509
6 Amhara_ + Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.961667
7 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.962468
8 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 5.000577
9 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.006724
10 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.027248
11 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 5.042833
12 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.045715
13 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.052828
14 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.061719
15 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ @ 5.090491
16 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.099661
17 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.110786
18 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.176159
19 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.184762
20 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.190284

puntDNAL K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asia 38.20
2 SW_Europe 26.19
3 West_Asia 24.49
4 East_Africa 9.62
5 NE_Asia 1.04


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
2 Egyptian @ 10.788684
3 Yemeni @ 12.149620
4 Palestinian @ 12.501148
5 Jordanian @ 14.282022
6 Saudi @ 15.716351
7 Samaritan_Jew @ 15.957695
8 Syrian @ 19.589098
9 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.866776
10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 20.427830
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 20.955204
12 Bedouin @ 22.369261
13 Tunisian @ 23.229233
14 Moroccan @ 24.113819
15 Cypriot @ 24.743639
16 Algerian @ 25.674477
17 Sephardic_Jew @ 26.997372
18 Assyrian @ 27.342606
19 Saharawi @ 28.572121
20 Turkish_Kayseri @ 29.249922

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Copts +50% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Copts +25% Egyptian_Copts +25% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
2 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Yemeni @ 3.076745
3 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 3.345856
4 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 3.661654
5 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 3.832236
6 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian @ 4.222434
7 Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 4.248385
8 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Yemeni @ 4.634551
9 Amhara + Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew @ 4.733138
10 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Jordanian @ 4.756004
11 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Jordanian + Saudi @ 4.918110
12 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian + Saudi @ 4.989978
13 Bedouin + Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 5.029582
14 Bedouin + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 5.236852
15 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew @ 5.261199
16 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi + Tunisian @ 5.370473
17 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian @ 5.468468
18 Bedouin + Cypriot + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 5.488426
19 Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 5.507242
20 Egyptian + Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 5.564562

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96% Egyptian_Copts + 4% Amhara @ 1.67
2 95.8% Egyptian_Copts + 4.2% Tigray @ 1.7
3 96.9% Egyptian_Copts + 3.1% Somali @ 1.72
4 96.8% Egyptian_Copts + 3.2% Oromo @ 1.74
5 97.1% Egyptian_Copts + 2.9% Wolayta @ 1.8
6 97.6% Egyptian_Copts + 2.4% Aricultivator @ 1.84
7 97.5% Egyptian_Copts + 2.5% Datog @ 1.9
8 98.4% Egyptian_Copts + 1.6% Gumuz @ 1.97
9 97.9% Egyptian_Copts + 2.1% Maasai @ 2.02
10 98.7% Egyptian_Copts + 1.3% Han_North_China @ 2.1

As you can see, the SSA admixture among Copts is still significant but not as much as their Muslim counterparts which made them shift more Southern than them.

[Kamal900]

Which is why I say Copts are the true Egyptians.

So are the Egyptian Muslims as well regardless on the fact that they're more admixed than them in terms of genetics.

[Bobby Martnen]

So are the Egyptian Muslims as well regardless on the fact that they're more admixed than them in terms of genetics.

They're not as Egyptian genetically.

[Kamal900]

They're not as Egyptian genetically.

They're not as pure, sure, but at the same time, they're not that different from them either. Again, Arabians and the ancient Egyptians are descended from the ancient Levantine populace more than 5,000 years ago before the migration of ancient pre-Iranian peoples from Iran and Anatolians to the Levant in later years which had made the Levant more shifted towards west asia than to south-west asians.

[Bobby Martnen]

They're not as pure, sure, but at the same time, they're not that different from them either. Again, Arabians and the ancient Egyptians are descended from the ancient Levantine populace more than 5,000 years ago before the migration of ancient pre-Iranian peoples from Iran and Anatolians to the Levant in later years which had made the Levant more shifted towards west asia than to south-west asians.

Also, the Copts have preserved more traditional Egyptian culture and language than the Moslem, Arab Egyptians.

(Copts speak Arabic now, but still use Coptic for religious purposes)