Ancient samples GEDmatch kits

[Lavrentis]

Anyways keep it up and try finding the Neolithic Peloponnese outlier.

Which one are you talking about? The one who got Lebanese in his oracles?


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[Aren]

Which one are you talking about? The one who got Lebanese in his oracles?


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No there are Neolithic farmers from Peloponnese out there, one of them(the outlier) is CHG shifted already at that time. I think the one OP posted is just the so called "Greek Neolithic" who were very similar to Barcin/Anatolian farmers of that time.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Mycenaeans (sadly their kits have been deleted):

I9006
Baloch 2.89
Caucasian 45.1
NE-Euro 10.44
American 0.31
Mediterranean 31.21
SW-Asian 9.97
San 0.07

I9010
Caucasian 35.14
NE-Euro 11.11
Mediterranean 43
SW-Asian 10.75

I9033
Baloch 4.34
Caucasian 37.45
NE-Euro 16.58
Mediterranean 35.17
SW-Asian 6.15
W-African 0.31

I9041
Baloch 2.66
Caucasian 39.9
NE-Euro 13.12
Mediterranean 34.44
SW-Asian 9.88

[Teucer]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 44.55
2 East_Med 36.37
3 North_Atlantic 12.66
4 Red_Sea 5.25
5 Sub-Saharan 1.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 17.02
2 Algerian_Jewish 22.04
3 Italian_Jewish 23.63
4 South_Italian 24.71
5 West_Sicilian 24.94
6 Sephardic_Jewish 25.47
7 East_Sicilian 26.34
8 Libyan_Jewish 26.48
9 Tunisian_Jewish 26.54
10 Ashkenazi 27
11 Tunisian 27.3
12 Central_Greek 27.35
13 Tuscan 27.4
14 Moroccan 27.87
15 Algerian 28.1
16 Mozabite_Berber 28.18
17 Italian_Abruzzo 28.88
18 Cyprian 29.52
19 Greek_Thessaly 30.09
20 North_Italian 30.33

Why is the Neolithic Greek matching with Jewish populations first? They had less Levantine ancestry than modern Greeks do. Is it because of the elevated Caucasus dna?

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Could someone run the Greek Neolithic sample here? Thanks.

Rev5, Revenia, Greece (6438–6264 BCE)
1 druze_hgdp + morocco-s_henn2012 + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 7.636290

Klei10, Kleitos, Greece (4230–3995 BCE)
1 druze_hgdp + morocco-jew_behar + sardinian_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp @ 8.237104

[Meerkat]

Why is the Neolithic Greek matching with Jewish populations first? They had less Levantine ancestry than modern Greeks do. Is it because of the elevated Caucasus dna?

I'm not entirely sure, but if you notice, the distances are pretty far. Jewish populations are just in the top 20, but they're still not that close.

[Teucer]

I'm not entirely sure, but if you notice, the distances are pretty far. Jewish populations are just in the top 20, but they're still not that close.

I agree but relatively they are still closer than everything else, apart from Sardinians

[Leto]

I wanna see the Turkmenistan_IA sample from Damgaard et al.

[Meerkat]

I agree but relatively they are still closer than everything else, apart from Sardinians

Which populations were you expecting to be in the top 20?

And the Jewish populations listed all have some Southern European in them. Ashkenazim are 35-55% European on average, and most of it comes from Southern Europe. I don't think it's that bizarre that Jewish populations are some of the closest to the Neolithic Greek sample, considering the distances are quite far.

[Teucer]

Which populations were you expecting to be in the top 20?

And the Jewish populations listed all have some Southern European in them. Ashkenazim are 35-55% European on average, and most of it comes from Southern Europe. I don't think it's that bizarre that Jewish populations are some of the closest to the Neolithic Greek sample, considering the distances are quite far.

I was expecting mainland/island Greek populations to come up first, like Greek_Central, Greek_Thessaly, etc

It is bizarre because it isn't like this a population lost to history. Greeks have been in the peninsula for thousands of years. Of course they have changed but I thought the continuity would be stronger, especially since foreign populations are coming up first