Dodecad Ancestry Project

[Kadu]

If anyone is feeling like being a very helpful chap - could they please run all these tests with my DOD scores? I'm DOD726.

I can't run any of the tests on my mac because it's not compatible. Although, I ran DiY 2.0, and got similar scores to everyone else.

Well if you're talking about the Dodecad oracle, which is what Frederick used to compute Barrel's admixture combinations, then you can run it on your mac.


Just follow the instructions here

[Barreldriver]

I tried it for you. (All one needs is the DIY Dodecad results)

By Oracle, these are the closest populations:

(so more small the number behind it, so more close the results)
Barreldriver

[1,] "CEU" "2.9717" <--------- white American of predominantly North-West European anchestry
[2,] "N._European" "5.0694" (a group with "Northern Europeans" not closer defined what people exactly)
[3,] "Orcadian" "5.2101"
[4,] "Argyll_1KG" "5.391" (South-West-Scottland)
[5,] "Orkney_1KG" "5.6548"
[6,] "German_D" "8.5726"
[7,] "French" "9.6303"
[8,] "French_D" "10.0577"
[9,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "10.6703" (people of mixed background, but all known anchestors of Germanic speaking parts of Europe)
[10,] "Dutch_D" "11.7807"
[11,] "Kent_1KG" "14.129" (South-East England)
[12,] "British_Isles_D" "16.2479"
[13,] "British_D" "16.2505"
[14,] "Cornwall_1KG" "16.8781" (South-West England)
[15,] "Slovenian" "17.4146"
[16,] "Irish_D" "19.6356"
[17,] "Swedish_D" "20.1689"
[18,] "Norwegian_D" "20.9766"
[19,] "Hungarians" "21.9821"
[20,] "French_Basque" "22.4489"
[21,] "Portuguese_D" "24.3769"
[22,] "Spaniards" "25.2005"
[23,] "N_Italian_D" "26.3565"
[24,] "Spanish_D" "26.5371"
[25,] "IBS" "26.6198"
[26,] "Tuscan_H" "27.2357"
[27,] "TSI" "27.2763"
[28,] "Tuscan_X" "27.6064"
[29,] "FIN" "29.219"
[30,] "North_Italian" "30.4805"

Just for comparation the results of "Average CEU". to help you, what to think about the results above:

[1,] "CEU" "0"
[2,] "Orcadian" "2.4839"
[3,] "Orkney_1KG" "2.924"
[4,] "Argyll_1KG" "2.9614"
[5,] "N._European" "3.3347"
[6,] "German_D" "6.9361"
[7,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "9.3862"
[8,] "Dutch_D" "10.3315"
[9,] "French" "11.1736"
[10,] "French_D" "11.4066"

Cool, figured I'd be closest to the Utahn's and such than to Old Worlder's as many Utahn's have Southron roots aways back (via Arkansas).

And note how the tool is named: ORACLE.
It needs you to interpret this and pick what you guess is the most likely.

Another note: It only expects TWO nation mixes. Thats another weak point.

[1,] "90.4% Orcadian + 9.6% S_Italian_D" "0.4005"
[2,] "89.7% Orkney_1KG + 10.3% S_Italian_D" "0.4049"
[3,] "12.5% C_Italian_D + 87.5% Orkney_1KG" "0.4141"
[4,] "90.1% Orcadian + 9.9% Sicilian_D" "0.4439"
[5,] "89.7% Orcadian + 10.3% S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "0.4723"
[6,] "89.3% Orkney_1KG + 10.7% Sicilian_D" "0.4816"
[7,] "11.7% C_Italian_D + 88.3% Orcadian" "0.4921"
[8,] "14.5% O_Italian_D + 85.5% Orkney_1KG" "0.5639"
[9,] "13.5% O_Italian_D + 86.5% Orcadian" "0.5794"
[10,] "84.2% Orcadian + 15.8% Tuscan_X" "0.5924"

Of these it's hard to guess since they're all so similar, if it's any help about 60% of my ancestors came from the British Isle's, the remaining 40% or so is split between German, Portuguese and French along with some completely unknown ancestries. These figures change all depending on the status of my pedigree research, future changes shan't change much in the lines of the British Isles figure is pretty much a constant.

Here are some "aberations" from the average CEU:

[14,] "90.4% CEU + 9.6% TSI" "0.714"
[18,] "92% CEU + 8% O_Italian_D" "0.795"
[20,] "90.6% CEU + 9.4% Tuscan_X" "0.8094"
[27,] "94.4% CEU + 5.6% Sicilian_D" "0.9574"
[31,] "95.7% CEU + 4.3% Cypriots" "1.028"
[36,] "94.9% CEU + 5.1% Sephardic_Jews" "1.0779"
[39,] "94.3% CEU + 5.7% Greek_D" "1.1763"
[48,] "95.5% CEU + 4.5% Turkish_D" "1.3667"

some British Isles aberations:

[50,] "11.7% C_Italian_D + 88.3% Argyll_1KG" "1.3712"
[60,] "30% Balkans_D + 70% Kent_1KG" "1.5231"
[70,] "33.9% Balkans_D + 66.1% Cornwall_1KG" "1.6006"
[75,] "67.6% British_Isles_D + 32.4% Romanians_14" "1.6621"

Maybe its just this:
[134,] "46.9% French + 53.1% German_D" "2.3392"
[135,] "83.6% CEU + 16.4% French" "2.3399"
[145,] "5% Balkans_D + 95% CEU" "2.4219"

I'd assume that these are not results for me but results for the CEU and Brits respectively and how they differ from their norm or is this how I differ from those groups?

[Frederick]

I'd assume that these are not results for me but results for the CEU and Brits respectively and how they differ from their norm or is this how I differ from those groups?

No, its for you.
The rough message is, that you are more Med/southern Euro than the average Uthan (CEU)

Thats why it wants to mix the average Utahn with a little bit French, Italian, Greek, Jewish or Turk to match your values.

Same for the Brit aberation. It wants to mix Brits with either Italians, Balkans (highly Med) or Romanians to re-create your results.

And the last section I posted shows, beeing half German half French could cause results like yours too.

Well, you could also look at the numbers that show how close.
And they too say, more med than average.

Like this:

Difference you and Scott: 5.391
Difference average CEU(Utahn) and Scott: 2.9614

You differ more from a Scott than the average Utahn.

Also for Germans.
You: 8.5726
Utahn: 6.9361

Or Dutch:
you: 11.7807
average Utahn: 10.3315

But different for French!
You: 9.6303
Average utahn: 11.1736
Means, you are closer to French than the average Utahn (CEU)

And after you said, you have Spanish and Portuguese ancestors, I would say, they seem to explain it.

Let me look for a British Isles, Iberian try.

Hmm. Needs some deep digging and the results are quiet off then (9.5 as difference....) But Here are some:

[1911,] "68.2% Kent_1KG + 31.8% Portuguese_D" "9.5034"

Hmm... The Scott one is closer. In the 2.x range :
[120,] "15.6% IBS + 84.4% Argyll_1KG" "2.2321"
IBS = a lot of Iberian profiles lumped together)

[130,] "16.7% Portuguese_D + 83.3% Argyll_1KG" "2.3126"
[140,] "15.4% Spanish_D + 84.6% Argyll_1KG" "2.405"

*searches reverse for "IBS"....*
[102,] "92.7% CEU + 7.3% IBS" "2.1126"
[141,] "14.4% IBS + 85.6% N._European" "2.4107"
[374,] "13.2% IBS + 86.8% Orcadian" "3.3174"
[699,] "78.9% German_D + 21.1% IBS" "4.9647"

Just in case, you want to see the Iberia-Scandinavia axis:
[1228,] "42.5% IBS + 57.5% Swedish_D" "6.4018"

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Ok, I check the results by hand now....
I see.
You have increased (compared to the most of the British Isles) Eastern European, Mediterranean and West Asian. Thats why it looks so much for Southeast Europeans (Italians, Balkans, Greece etc), to explain all 3 with a single admixture event.

And it also explains why it prefers Scotts or Orkneys on the other end (elevated Eastern European level)

[Barreldriver]

No, its for you.
The rough message is, that you are more Med/southern Euro than the average Uthan (CEU)

Thats why it wants to mix the average Utahn with a little bit French, Italian, Greek, Jewish or Turk to match your values.

Same for the Brit aberation. It wants to mix Brits with either Italians, Balkans (highly Med) or Romanians to re-create your results.

And the last section I posted shows, beeing half German half French could cause results like yours too.

Well, you could also look at the numbers that show how close.
And they too say, more med than average.

Like this:

Difference you and Scott: 5.391
Difference average CEU(Utahn) and Scott: 2.9614

You differ more from a Scott than the average Utahn.

Also for Germans.
You: 8.5726
Utahn: 6.9361

Or Dutch:
you: 11.7807
average Utahn: 10.3315

But different for French!
You: 9.6303
Average utahn: 11.1736
Means, you are closer to French than the average Utahn (CEU)

And after you said, you have Spanish and Portuguese ancestors, I would say, they seem to explain it.

Let me look for a British Isles, Iberian try.

Hmm. Needs some deep digging and the results are quiet off then (9.5 as difference....) But Here are some:

[1911,] "68.2% Kent_1KG + 31.8% Portuguese_D" "9.5034"

Hmm... The Scott one is closer. In the 2.x range :
[120,] "15.6% IBS + 84.4% Argyll_1KG" "2.2321"
IBS = a lot of Iberian profiles lumped together)

[130,] "16.7% Portuguese_D + 83.3% Argyll_1KG" "2.3126"
[140,] "15.4% Spanish_D + 84.6% Argyll_1KG" "2.405"

*searches reverse for "IBS"....*
[102,] "92.7% CEU + 7.3% IBS" "2.1126"
[141,] "14.4% IBS + 85.6% N._European" "2.4107"
[374,] "13.2% IBS + 86.8% Orcadian" "3.3174"
[699,] "78.9% German_D + 21.1% IBS" "4.9647"

Just in case, you want to see the Iberia-Scandinavia axis:
[1228,] "42.5% IBS + 57.5% Swedish_D" "6.4018"

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Ok, I check the results by hand now....
I see.
You have increased (compared to the most of the British Isles) Eastern European, Mediterranean and West Asian. Thats why it looks so much for Southeast Europeans (Italians, Balkans, Greece etc), to explain all 3 with a single admixture event.

And it also explains why it prefers Scotts or Orkneys on the other end (elevated Eastern European level)

Curious what could be causing the increased East European and west Asian? The increased Med is obvious from distant Iberian and French ancestry I'd assume.

[Barreldriver]

One thing I'm looking for is a possible connection to chestnut Ridge like folks after realizing that the Chestnut Ridge folks were from Barbour County, Barbour County is adjacent to Taylor and Preston Counties as is Monongalia County which borders with Wetzel County. My great grandfather and his parents+siblings moved between Wetzel and Monongalia Counties so they're in a similar locality as the Chestnut Ridge folks.

That part of my family tree has some holes in it that need filled.

[Scrapple]

Curious what could be causing the increased East European and west Asian? The increased Med is obvious from distant Iberian and French ancestry I'd assume.

Do you know from where in Germany your ancestors are from? I have more German ancestry than the average American (PA Dutch) and my E Euro is in the lower 20% range, my W Asian in 8%. If they are from the more Eastern Parts of Germany that could account for your higher E Euro.

[Barreldriver]

Do you know from where in Germany your ancestors are from? I have more German ancestry than the average American (PA Dutch) and my E Euro is in the lower 20% range, my W Asian in 8%. If they are from the more Eastern Parts of Germany that could account for your higher E Euro.

Most are from the SW, but there's some that are suspect of having Eastern German and Austrian roots based on some surnames can't really confirm as these were usually later immigrants that just listed their birthplace as "Germany" on record.

[Frederick]

Curious what could be causing the increased East European and west Asian? The increased Med is obvious from distant Iberian ancestry I'd assume.

East European could be increased by Scotts, Scandinavians, Germans. For example.

Or by actual Eastern Europeans.

You are about as "Eastern European" as a Scott or Norwegian (Wich is actually 4 times as Eastern European as other British Isles inhabitants are. But not as Eastern European as a Swede or German for example.

the West Asian is so little higher than British or German levels, that I wouldnt even think about it. (average is 7% and you have 8.x%)... means: BLA But Oracle still trys to come as close to your result as possible and that means, it looks for a source that actually provides West Asian too.

Looking at the map, Dutch even have 8% on average. But Dutch arent picked as source for that, because they dont provide high level of Eastern European or Med. Thats again the tricky thing. A simple tool like Oracle wants to explain ALL the aberation with ONE admixture event. But thats usualy far from reality, specially for Americans I think.

[Barreldriver]

East European could be increased by Scotts, Scandinavians, Germans. For example.

Or by actual Eastern Europeans.

You are about as "Eastern European" as a Scott or Norwegian (Wich is actually 4 times as Eastern European as other British Isles inhabitants are. But not as Eastern European as a Swede or German for example.

the West Asian is so little higher than British or German levels, that I wouldnt even think about it. (average is 7% and you have 8.x%)... means: BLA But Oracle still trys to come as close to your result as possible and that means, it looks for a source that actually provides West Asian too.

Looking at the map, Dutch even have 8% on average. But Dutch arent picked as source for that, because they dont provide high level of Eastern European or Med. Thats again the tricky thing. A simple tool like Oracle wants to explain ALL the aberation with ONE admixture event. But thats usualy far from reality, specially for Americans I think.

Cool, so it is indeed my Scots and German connections, I do have a genetic "cousin" on 23andMe that is Swedish so that may be hinting something too, also some Russian Relative Finder matches (caught me by surprise).

If there is a true East European connection I would have to attribute that to coal miners as in the South of my home county coal mining is a big part of the economy as well as the parts of Kentucky near to my home county.

[Imperivm]

Well if you're talking about the Dodecad oracle, which is what Frederick used to compute Barrel's admixture combinations, then you can run it on your mac.


Just follow the instructions here

It's not working for me I'm afraid. I don't think it's compatible with the latest version of mac. I even installed the updates that should patch things properly.

If anyone feels like running it for me my scores are-

(3.4, 63.1, 26.5, 0, 6.9, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.1, 0)