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People will cling to just about anything. Even if the shroud can be dated to the very long stretch of time between 200BC and 400AD it doesn't automatically mean it has any relation to Jesus.
btw, this is why Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah: the concept of the messiah is very different to Jews than it is to Christians.
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Oh no... Colonel PLEASE don't tell me (or ask me) to listen to BEN SHAPIRO the Jew.... of course he doesn't believe in Jesus... he's a Jew!! And a VERY annoying one at that! I don't think I would be able to watch his videos... sorry.
Ben Shapiro is an antichrist.
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That's absolute nonsense. Fine Jewish deception. In their own Hebrew Bible, Jesus is all over the scriptures... they've just blinded their eyes not to see him. As I've said, the Old Testament describes Jesus perfectly, and even predicts the exact years he will be on earth, and that he would die for our sins.
If you don't believe me, I can point you to even Jewish rabbis who have admitted their mistake about Jesus.
Remember that modern Talmudic Judaism mostly uses the Talmud, which is not inspired scripture, that was made in Babylon during their captivity.
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The whole point of me posting Ben Shapiro the Jew is to explain why Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah. He explains it. It's what Jews believe about Jesus. For them the messiah has always been a political figure. It's never been 'God in the flesh' and it's pretty clear in the OT, which you referenced when you brought up Daniel, that the messiah was never perceived by its authors as being God becoming flesh.
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I know, but Ben Shapiro is lying... you don't understand. Jesus is the Jewish messiah, but they rejected him... and because they did, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD as was prophesied/predicted. Now they come with all kinds of smart stories about their messiah to be this and that, but they are wrong. Jesus IS the messiah... and they will all realise it one day, when it is too late.
You talk specifically about "God becoming man", but why do those three words have to appear exactly in the OT? So many things about Jesus has been prophesied in the OT, only an ignorant and a fool would deny it. The Jews are deliberate in their denial.
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So is it deception or are they blind? I'm not sure if you're aware but I judge people's arguments based on whether there are contradictions.
The Talmud wasn't written in Babylon. You could have simply looked that up. It's basically a religious legal source and rabbi opinions on different subjects. It's not a religious text.
The old testament does not describe Jesus perfectly. What the NT does is shoe horn Jesus into the OT. How do I know? The Gospels were written not only long after Jesus died but even the four gospels that were accepted (there are many gospels) are problematic. First off, 3 of the 4 have been shown to come from an older gospel. The slight differences between the three shows human manipulation. The Gospel of John, which doesn't come from the same source as the other three, is so different from the other three that it's almost reading a different Jesus. The point I'm making is the Gospels are suspect for manipulation. It's very easy to manipulate the story and refer it back to a prophecy from the OT. The big problem, however, is that no where in the OT does it say the messiah will be God in the flesh.
He's not lying. That is what Jews actually believe about Jesus. How do I know? It doesn't differ from what other Jews think about Jesus and so you're being absurd.ead: The Shroud of Turin: Physical Proof of the Existence, Resurrection, and Divinity of Christ
Please don't tell me you believe that Jew... he is lying to you, I promise you that
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