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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    No room for confusion. First speakers of Kurdish were people like you see in Vikings series, later they moved south and assimilated natives who were farmers everywhere from Sri Lanka to Transcaucasus and they simply melted down.
    You were lusting on the Swedish girl from Finland last month through threads, maybe this was result of a hidden-backyard psychology of a milleniums-long Elite Dominance effect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Swede first?
    So, they gave their language from Ossetians in Caucasus to Bangladeshis to the east, and went extinct right?
    Most Indo-Iranians today can be modelled as less than 20% early Indo-Iranian (Sintashta, Srubna, Steppe_MLBA in general). Some Tajiks and Pashtuns can score up to 50% though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    Huh? Are you sure that you have posted the right Gedmatch results? I ask because North Atlantic and North Sea are the highest componenst and they sound to be very distant to Indo Iranians.
    Yes, original Indo-Iranians were pretty much Northern Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Why are you so confused? Indo-Iranians originate from somewhere in Northeast Europe, they were blonde blue eyed nordics. They migrated in Central Asia and from there invaded India and Iran, mixed with native populations.
    Were the natives mostly Iranid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    No room for confusion. First speakers of Kurdish were people like you see in Vikings series, later they moved south and assimilated natives who were farmers everywhere from Sri Lanka to Transcaucasus and they simply melted down.
    You were lusting on the Swedish girl from Finland last month through threads, maybe this was result of a psychology of a milleniums long Elite Dominance effect
    "First speakers of Kurdish"

    There was no distinct Kurdish identity or language back then, but yes, Kurdish language originates from these people as well as partial ancestry of Kurds. Also partial ancestry of Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    Were the natives mostly Iranid?
    I think Iranid is result of mixing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    You were lusting on the Swedish girl from Finland last month through threads, maybe this was result of a hidden-backyard psychology of a milleniums-long Elite Dominance effect
    I don’t remember they have dominated Turkish people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Most Indo-Iranians today can be modelled as less than 20% early Indo-Iranian (Sintashta, Srubna, Steppe_MLBA in general). Some Tajiks and Pashtuns can score up to 50% though.
    Yaghnobis / Pamiris score up to 60%, but the real descendants of early Indo-Iranians were the Scytho-Sarmatians, they're long gone now though.

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    Not among the Iranians, but among the Hindi branch this can be seen even in the religion.
    In Hindu culture, they worship white, thin, tall people. They received those migrants 5k years ago, they worshipped them as gods and those PIE Aryans disappeared among them.

    The Aryan theory was right after all.

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    Pamiri samples;

    Ishkashim:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 34.74
    2 NE_Europe 26.65
    3 South_Asia 19.01
    4 SW_Europe 7.85
    5 Siberia 4.62
    6 NE_Asia 2.56
    7 Americas 1.55
    8 Oceania 1.4
    9 West_Africa 1.28
    10 SW_Asia 0.29
    11 South_Africa 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 9.67
    2 Afghan_Pashtun 12.14
    3 Pakistan_Pashtun 13.99
    4 Pathan 15.39
    5 Afghan_Uzbeki 16.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 80.1% Pakistan_Pashtun + 19.9% Finnish @ 4.83
    2 82.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 17.3% Finnish @ 4.97
    3 76.6% Pakistan_Pashtun + 23.4% Mordovian @ 5.33
    4 74.6% Pathan + 25.4% Mordovian @ 5.39
    5 77.7% Pakistan_Pashtun + 22.3% Russian @ 5.43

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 36.74
    2 NE_Europe 26
    3 South_Asia 16.02
    4 SW_Europe 6.05
    5 Siberia 5.76
    6 NE_Asia 3.8
    7 SW_Asia 2.35
    8 Americas 2.14
    9 East_Africa 0.62
    10 South_Africa 0.52

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 7.91
    2 Afghan_Pashtun 11.79
    3 Pakistan_Pashtun 14.36
    4 Afghan_Uzbeki 14.8
    5 Pathan 14.98

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 77.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 22.8% Chuvash @ 5.21
    2 83.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 16.4% Finnish @ 5.43
    3 79.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.9% Aluet @ 5.58
    4 74.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 25.2% Tatar @ 5.67
    5 72% Pathan + 28% Chuvash @ 5.72

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 34.93
    2 NE_Europe 24.47
    3 South_Asia 18.86
    4 SW_Europe 8.53
    5 Siberia 4.67
    6 NE_Asia 3.38
    7 Americas 1.48
    8 East_Africa 1.47
    9 SW_Asia 1.13
    10 South_Africa 0.7
    11 Oceania 0.38

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 7.94
    2 Afghan_Pashtun 10.6
    3 Pakistan_Pashtun 12.55
    4 Pathan 13.84
    5 Afghan_Uzbeki 14.87

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 72.6% Pakistan_Pashtun + 27.4% Tatar @ 4.14
    2 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Chuvash @ 4.42
    3 76.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 23.5% Tatar @ 4.43
    4 70.5% Pathan + 29.5% Tatar @ 4.44
    5 75.7% Pakistan_Pashtun + 24.3% Chuvash @ 4.44

    Rushan:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 36.21
    2 NE_Europe 27.63
    3 South_Asia 11.8
    4 SW_Europe 9.79
    5 Siberia 5.04
    6 Americas 2.97
    7 SW_Asia 2.77
    8 SE_Asia 1.43
    9 NE_Asia 1.36
    10 South_Africa 0.62
    11 East_Africa 0.3
    12 West_Africa 0.08

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 8.25
    2 Afghan_Pashtun 14.46
    3 Chechen 15.22
    4 Kumyk 15.23
    5 Afghan_Uzbeki 16.86

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 88.6% Tadjik + 11.4% Latvian @ 5.34
    2 89% Tadjik + 11% Finnish @ 5.35
    3 88.6% Tadjik + 11.4% Lithuanian @ 5.4
    4 74.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 25.2% Mordovian @ 5.47
    5 88.6% Tadjik + 11.4% Estonian @ 5.49

    Shugnan:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 33.77
    2 NE_Europe 27.96
    3 South_Asia 14.64
    4 SW_Europe 11.15
    5 Siberia 3.9
    6 NE_Asia 2.91
    7 Americas 2.89
    8 SW_Asia 1.77
    9 East_Africa 0.63
    10 South_Africa 0.37

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 8.8
    2 Afghan_Pashtun 14.61
    3 Afghan_Uzbeki 16.3
    4 Kumyk 16.66
    5 Pakistan_Pashtun 17.13

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 26.6% Mordovian @ 3.62
    2 74.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 25.3% Russian @ 3.84
    3 76.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 23.1% Estonian @ 4.16
    4 77.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 22.8% Lithuanian @ 4.23
    5 77.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 22.7% Latvian @ 4.27

    Yaghnobi:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asia 38.48
    2 NE_Europe 24.22
    3 SW_Europe 12.03
    4 South_Asia 7.06
    5 SW_Asia 6.43
    6 Siberia 4.55
    7 NE_Asia 2.34
    8 Americas 1.88
    9 East_Africa 1.78
    10 South_Africa 0.92
    11 West_Africa 0.16
    12 Oceania 0.15

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tadjik 8.73
    2 Kumyk 9.6
    3 Chechen 10.05
    4 Adygei 13.69
    5 Dagestan_Azeri 13.7

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 54.5% Tadjik + 45.5% Chechen @ 4.37
    2 64.8% Chechen + 35.2% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.34
    3 75.5% Chechen + 24.5% Burusho @ 6.01
    4 66.5% Tadjik + 33.5% Adygei @ 6.2
    5 54.5% Tadjik + 45.5% Kumyk @ 6.33

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