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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    gedrosia? idk
    yeah its gedrosian. indo-iranian on dnaland includes balochi, brahui, makrani

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarzian View Post
    Andronovans were Iranicised Europeans, Original Aryans were Brown Haired andbrown Eyed and were from south of the caucasus. Some of them went north, crossing the caucasus some of them dispersed into Northern Forest Steppes and assimilated blonde hunter gatherers some of their remnants became andronovo and the like.
    No R1b-M269 or R1a-M417 has been found in the numerous amounts of samples from Armenia, Iran, Anatolia or Central Asia from the Chalcolithic and the Neolithic period. Only one dubious sample from Hajji Firuz tepe which has EHG admix and will probably be dated to around the same period as the 50% Yamnaya-like Bronze Age sample from the same site once it's carbon dated. Meanwhile both of the mentioned haplogroups have been found in Eastern Europe prior to Yamnaya.
    And neither Maykop, Kura-Axes or Iran_Chl can be ancestral to Yamnaya cause they had way too much Anatolia/Levant input. So the CHG-like input in the Steppe predates those cultures and were entirely female mediated.
    Not to mention most linguists place Early PIE somewhere in close proximity to Proto-Uralic ie somewhere on the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

    Also how strange would it be for PIE to originate somewhere around Armenia or NW Iran yet from all of the written records of the Sumerians, Assyrians etc tell us that the area was inhabited by non-IE speakers by atleast the early 3rd millenia until Iranian speakers show up. And why would pre-proto Indo-Iranian start of in say Armenia, head north of the Caucasus mountains onto the Steppes then migrate east of the Caspian sea and then make it's way down south to the Iranian plateau instead of just simply staying put lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    It was a cultural fusion between a EHG and Iran_CHL like populations, although they were all paternally EHG as seen from y-dna, question is which population was the most influential linguistically.
    Paternally EHG? No, Western Iranians were J2 and R1b Z2013 and this Haplogroup has never been found in a Pure EHG population but has been dound in Haji firuz Iran in the Chalcolithic age, before Yamnaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadouken View Post
    no it's not

    dravidian and bengali are south asian
    lol its gedrosia, my bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aren View Post
    LIKE ME?! HAHA
    If we wanted to be "Arya" we would've been by now. We've been living in close proximity to Iranic speakers for maybe two millenias yet we are not nearly as Persianfied as you Turks and especially your ancestors who adopted everything Persian.
    Also Assyrians have no Steppe admix.
    I heard somewhere that you guys have up to 15% steppe(from ancient mitanis), but I don't believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    I heard somewhere that you guys have up to 15% steppe(from ancient mitanis), but I don't believe it.
    Some Assyrians have Steppe, but its lower than the Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Some Assyrians have Steppe, but its lower than the Kurds.
    How much is it among Levantines and Arabians if such admixture exist in such populations at all? I don't think Arabians got it, but the Shammari Arabians seem to have high frequency of R1a which is weird. The same goes to the Jewish Levites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    How much is it among Levantines and Arabians if such admixture exist in such populations at all? I don't think Arabians got it, but the Shammari Arabians seem to have high frequency of R1a which is weird. The same goes to the Jewish Levites.
    Up to half of what Kurds have I think, but I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pahli View Post
    Up to half of what Kurds have I think, but I am not sure.
    Which calculator should I use to show you my steppe ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Which calculator should I use to show you my steppe ancestry?
    There was one calculator that showed Steppe admix.

    I got 12% on it, but I don't remember which one it was but its not on Gedmatch AFAIK

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