Greek Civil War(1946-1949)

[Crn Volk]

So the mere thought of losing your current Macedonian ethnic identity in exchange for the Bulgarian one doesn't completely put you off? Interesting. Seems like you don't care as much about being an independent ethnicity as much as I thought you would.

I don't think Albanians would have become Pomaks. The ones in Macedonia didn't become Torbeshes. Their population is much greater than that of the Pomaks and they don't even live in the same places.

Bulgaria still has half a million Turks so I'm doubtful they would have assimilated/deported the Albanians there. And I'm assuming many of the Turks that left Bulgaria for Turkey would have left by their own accord since Western Turkey (especially Thrace) is richer than Bulgaria. Albania is quite poor in comparison and I don't see them ever leaving for Albania on their own accord.

I wonder if the Albanians would have tried to still separate if they were part of a stronger country (like in 2001). The Turks in Bulgaria are not separatist in the slightest AFAIK. Also, I'm also curious how the Kosovo situation would have panned out. Maybe Bulgaria might have helped Serbia suppress the Albanian-Kosovar separatists due to fears that Kosovo would turn their sights onto territory in their country next.

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Who said the Albanians would go to Albania. There are hundreds of thousands of Albanians in Turkey today. You don’t know how harsh the Bulgarians can be to Muslims. 1/2 million Turks is nothing. If it wasn’t for Todor Zhivkovs harsh anti Turk policies, that number would be much larger. Bulgaria didn’t/does not have friendly minority policies like Yugoslavia did. You can’t for example register an ethnic political party there to this day. Albanians bitch about Serbs and Greeks, but they can thank their lucky stars they didn’t fall under Bulgarian rule. The brief period they were under their partial rule in WW1 produced massacres and forced Bulgarization. Even in WW2 there were Bulgarian massacres of Albanians in Macedonia, and they were supposedly on the same side.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Macedonia is one.

You can name yours south Macedonia if you want.

This is the only Macedonia I know:



This is where the ancient Macedonians lived. The Roman extensions of Macedonia are irrelevant...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Hey, i live in the town of Macedon in Victoria, Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon,_Victoria

Macedon. Love the natural colours. Reminds me of something...............

It turns out that you are not related to that Macedon either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Macedon#Etymology

The mountain is known as Geboor or Geburrh in the AboriginalWoiwurrung language of the Wurundjeri people.^[1]
The mountain was originally sighted by Hamilton Hume and William Hovell on their 1824 expedition to Port Phillip from New South Wales. They named it Mount Wentworth.^[5] It was renamed Mount Macedon by explorer Major Thomas Mitchell who ascended the mountain in 1836.^[1] He named it after Philip of Macedon in honour of the fact that he was able to view Port Philip from the summit. Several other geographic features along the path of his third Australia Felix expedition were named after figures of Ancient Macedonia including the nearby Campaspe River and Mount Alexander near Castlemaine (named after Alexander the Great).

No Mount Goce Delcev or Mount Dame Gruev...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Endgame is that it is a differentiator to Greek Macedonia. North Macedonia remains an independent state, member of NATO and EU

And this future trade route

Don't you rush a bit to join the EU? Your Dutch, French and Dane friends gave you a one year probation already, and you've done nothing to piss them off. I guess they hate your mere existence...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Yep let’s see. Should be fun. We are allied to the West these days, unlike before. So different ballgame

You lost more than 1/8 of your population and the Albanian youths are already 1/3 of your youths. Indeed a different ballgame... The Albanians are indeed fervent pro-westerners, as long as the Slavs are getting screwed!!!

[Petros Houhoulis]

End game is people respecting the basic human right of the Makedonishtanis to determine what they wish. Any opposition to it is against this basic human right.

As if we give a fuck about your very existence...

End game is to selvage what is left of Makedonishtani ethnic feeling in the former Ottoman territories that has been occupied by monarchist forces in 1912-1913. This is done by fighting for those Makedonishtanis in the political arena. Makedonishtanis who originate from Macedonia must be recognised as what they are: Makedonishtanis.

Sorry, but there is no reference in the Prespa agreement about anything like that.

End game is to end this Balkan shit. Gain a better future for all. And in regards to annexing Macedonia, no, i think it is not possible ever, and not ideal at all. Macedonia is string majority Greek today.

What is not possible is you dictating the rules in a land where you do not live. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion around here...

[Petros Houhoulis]

This is dealt with under the Prespa Agreement.

Personally I agree with it and acknowledge that there are Macedonians also who identify as ethnic Greeks from Macedonia. I don’t deny them their right of self identification, and expect the same in return from them on my right to identify as a Macedonishtani of Slavophone descent.

I am sorry, but there is no mention of the rights of the Australopitheki in the Prespa agreement. You have eternally lost any possibility of being recognized as anything remotely Balkaner from all the resident Balkaners alike...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Your people can call themselves whatever they want. If they feel Macedonian in a regional sense then that's fine.

In regards to the bold statement, i do not accept the premise of that question. Hypotheticals are silly. There wont be another instance of people identifying as Macedonians other then the Makedonishtanis.

This is far from a hypothesis. Once upon a time only the descendants of the ancient Macedonians called themselves Macedonians. Recently you made such a claim, so how do you know that somebody else won't make a similar claim in the future, especially the Albanians (who are already doing it, in fact!)

[Petros Houhoulis]

Makedonishtani Partizan song about fighting in Vico mountains (gramos mountains i think).

You are really funny, because that flag is your original Commie flag!!! A genuine creation of Comintern, no doubt...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Thanks to help from the west ofcourse.

The west was obliged to support Greece because Greece fought bravely on the allied side during WWII, in case you forgot it...