The reason people from the Dinarics are so tall

[arkas]

There isn't information given on it in the article (which I linked at the bottom), but I don't see why they wouldn't be.

That is my paternal haplogroup, the males in my family that would have that haplogroup are not particularly tall at all, average in height for Greeks.

[Mingle]

That is my paternal haplogroup, the males in my family that would have that haplogroup are not particularly tall at all, average in height for Greeks.

It doesn't mean 100% of people with that HG would be tall. Its just spotting a correlation.

By the way, I think Greece is already covered under the label 'Balkans' in that quote:

Considering that I-M170 is associated with tall statures not only in the Balkans but also in Central and Northern Europe, the roots of this phenomenon are deeper and probably date back to the Upper Paleolithic (the Gravettian culture).

[Ayetooey]

I assume I-L621 is I2a-Din then. This is what I found about that HG:



By the way, it being of Paleo-Balkan origin doesn't mean it couldn't have later been spread by some Slavs later on.

This is a bunch of rubbish, every up to date source agrees I2a1b-Dinaric was spread through the slavic invasions, it isn't paleolithic in the Balkans, this has been debated and debunked 1000 times on this forum. Tmrc's date back to 2000 years, and the highest diversity of I2a1b exist within Ukraine and other parts of eastern europe. It isn't paleolithic to the Balkans, are you out of your mind?

[Mingle]

This is a bunch of rubbish, every up to date source agrees I2a1b-Dinaric was spread through the slavic invasions, it isn't paleolithic in the Balkans, this has been debated and debunked 1000 times on this forum. Tmrc's date back to 2000 years, and the highest diversity of I2a1b exist within Ukraine and other parts of eastern europe. It isn't paleolithic to the Balkans, are you out of your mind?

Maybe, I guess this isn't the best thread for it anyways. I misread the paper and assumed they were talking about I2a-Din.

[Ayetooey]

"Nowadays, I2a1 is five to ten times more common than G2a in Southeast Europe, while during the Neolithic period G2a was approximately four times more common. What can explain this complete reversal? At one point in history, I2a1 lineages seem to have benefited from being on the winning side. Apart from a minor boost from (hypothetically) joining Yamna's westward expansion to Europe, the principal determining event that allowed I2a1b-L621 to become a major Eastern European lineage was probably the Slavic migrations from the 6th to the 9th century CE. Most modern Eastern Europeans belonging to I2a1b fit into the L147.2 (aka CTS10228, CTS2180 or Y3111) subclade, which is thought to have arisen 5,600 years ago (just before the Yamna period and the Trypillian expansion into the steppe), but has a TMRCA of only 2,300 years according to Yfull. The minority of I2a1b-L621 individuals negative for L147.2 are all found around eastern Poland, Belarus and western Ukraine, suggesting that this is where this lineage survived since the Chalcolithic. The I2a1b-L147.2 subclade seems to have expanded very fast from 1900 years ago, which is concordant with the timing of the Slavic ethnogenesis, considering that it takes a few centuries before one man can have enough male descendants to start having an impact at the scale of a population. This I2-L147.2 ancestor would have such an impact on the burgeoning Early Slavic population, still small 2,300 years ago, but booming."

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...I2_Y-DNA.shtml

[Aspirin]

[Daco Celtic]

"Nowadays, I2a1 is five to ten times more common than G2a in Southeast Europe, while during the Neolithic period G2a was approximately four times more common. What can explain this complete reversal? At one point in history, I2a1 lineages seem to have benefited from being on the winning side. Apart from a minor boost from (hypothetically) joining Yamna's westward expansion to Europe, the principal determining event that allowed I2a1b-L621 to become a major Eastern European lineage was probably the Slavic migrations from the 6th to the 9th century CE. Most modern Eastern Europeans belonging to I2a1b fit into the L147.2 (aka CTS10228, CTS2180 or Y3111) subclade, which is thought to have arisen 5,600 years ago (just before the Yamna period and the Trypillian expansion into the steppe), but has a TMRCA of only 2,300 years according to Yfull. The minority of I2a1b-L621 individuals negative for L147.2 are all found around eastern Poland, Belarus and western Ukraine, suggesting that this is where this lineage survived since the Chalcolithic. The I2a1b-L147.2 subclade seems to have expanded very fast from 1900 years ago, which is concordant with the timing of the Slavic ethnogenesis, considering that it takes a few centuries before one man can have enough male descendants to start having an impact at the scale of a population. This I2-L147.2 ancestor would have such an impact on the burgeoning Early Slavic population, still small 2,300 years ago, but booming."

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...I2_Y-DNA.shtml

Judging by height, I guess you could say Romanians missed out on this haplogroup. Lucky Dinarics

[Myanthropologies]

Gravettians score nearly 30% ASI in calculators

[Mingle]

Gravettians score nearly 30% ASI in calculators

Do you have a source regarding that?

They aren't said to have lived outside of Europe, so that's interesting if true. My guess is some ghost component was probably misread as ASI.

[Myanthropologies]

Do you have a source regarding that?

They aren't said to have lived outside of Europe, so that's interesting if true. My guess is some ghost component was probably misread as ASI.

I posted about it over the summer

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...SI-in-MLDP-K11