8 GEDmatch results from North Italy

**Tauromachos** · 01-06-2019, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

My issue is your trolling, spamming, and personal attacks. Other Greek users express their disagreement respectfully, you usually do not.

Many of them don't express alot of disagreement with you actualy
They may disagree with your intepretiaton of Greek phenotypes what you say about Slav
influence and so on but not with your representation of Greeks, they actualy even like it i would say

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 01-08-2019, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Can you please post all of their Dodecad K12b results? This is a very interesting thread, completely ignored by the likes of Sikeliot.

2 from Bergamo

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Brescia

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Pavia

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Ticino

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Treviso

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Udine

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Motta di Livenza

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**Leto** · 01-08-2019, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

2 from Bergamo

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Brescia

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Pavia

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Ticino

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Treviso

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Udine

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Motta di Livenza

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Very cool. The Venetians are the most North European. It's so refreshing to see other Italians, we are being bombarded with half Lebanese Arab-Norman-Greek results.

**Leto** · 01-08-2019, 03:10 PM

I have one Lombardian (H1m, R1b1b2a1a2d*)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit M123550

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 35.76
2 West_Med 26.6
3 East_Med 22.17
4 Baltic 8.6
5 West_Asian 6.04
6 South_Asian 0.38
7 Red_Sea 0.26
8 East_Asian 0.19
9 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.74
2 Spanish_Andalucia 8.36
3 Spanish_Valencia 8.69
4 Spanish_Murcia 8.89
5 Spanish_Extremadura 9.03
6 Tuscan 9.39
7 Portuguese 9.44
8 Spanish_Cataluna 10.17
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.54
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.75
11 Spanish_Galicia 11.2
12 Spanish_Aragon 12.39
13 Spanish_Cantabria 12.8
14 Southwest_French 14.59
15 West_Sicilian 15.65
16 French 15.74
17 Italian_Abruzzo 16.43
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.15
19 Romanian 20.16
20 Central_Greek 20.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.9% Spanish_Valencia + 16.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.57
2 75.6% Spanish_Valencia + 24.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.63
3 81.4% Spanish_Valencia + 18.6% Cyprian @ 3.65
4 72.4% Spanish_Valencia + 27.6% South_Italian @ 3.66
5 84.4% Spanish_Valencia + 15.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.85
6 76.3% Spanish_Valencia + 23.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.87
7 66.3% Spanish_Valencia + 33.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.01
8 52.4% Spanish_Valencia + 47.6% Tuscan @ 4.07
9 67.5% Spanish_Valencia + 32.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.09
10 77% Spanish_Valencia + 23% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.17
11 85.1% Spanish_Valencia + 14.9% Assyrian @ 4.2
12 84.3% Spanish_Valencia + 15.7% Samaritan @ 4.21
13 85.5% Spanish_Valencia + 14.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.22
14 58.1% Tuscan + 41.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.26
15 79.5% Spanish_Valencia + 20.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.27
16 85.5% Spanish_Valencia + 14.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.27
17 83.3% Spanish_Valencia + 16.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.27
18 72.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 27.4% Italian_Jewish @ 4.29
19 72.5% Spanish_Valencia + 27.5% Central_Greek @ 4.32
20 75% Spanish_Valencia + 25% Ashkenazi @ 4.36

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Kit M123550

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 43.39
2 Caucasus 23.31
3 North_European 22.22
4 Southwest_Asian 5.51
5 Gedrosia 5.22
6 Southeast_Asian 0.26
7 East_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian (HGDP) 1.24
2 N_Italian (Dodecad) 2.71
3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 7.18
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 8.98
5 Baleares (1000Genomes) 10.47
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.66
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.67
8 Galicia (1000Genomes) 12.71
9 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 13.45
10 Murcia (1000Genomes) 14.06
11 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 14.26
12 Portuguese (Dodecad) 14.6
13 Spaniards (Behar) 14.7
14 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 15.05
15 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 15.56
16 Spanish (Dodecad) 16.24
17 Canarias (1000Genomes) 16.53
18 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) 16.85
19 Valencia (1000Genomes) 16.92
20 Cantabria (1000Genomes) 17.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.9% Lezgins (Behar) @ 0.8
2 98.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.84
3 98.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.88
4 98.3% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.7% Adygei (HGDP) @ 0.9
5 98.4% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.6% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.91
6 98.4% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.6% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 0.92
7 98.3% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.92
8 98.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 0.94
9 98.3% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 0.95
10 98.3% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 0.96
11 98.7% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.3% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.96
12 98.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 0.96
13 98.4% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.6% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 0.97
14 76.7% North_Italian (HGDP) + 23.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.97
15 98.4% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.6% Iranians (Behar) @ 0.98
16 98.8% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.98
17 98.8% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 0.99
18 98.3% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.7% Turks (Behar) @ 1.01
19 98.9% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 1.01
20 98.2% North_Italian (HGDP) + 1.8% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.02

**caviezel** · 01-08-2019, 03:23 PM

the problem with this pseudo-scientific threads is that they take 1-2 individuals and pretend they represent a whole area. you need larger samples and I mean some dozens of individuals from each areas before drawing any conclusions. And that not accounting for paternity frauds.

**Ajeje Brazorf** · 01-08-2019, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by caviezel

the problem with this pseudo-scientific threads is that they take 1-2 individuals and pretend they represent a whole area. you need larger samples and I mean some dozens of individuals from each areas before drawing any conclusions. And that not accounting for paternity frauds.

This is quite obvious, especially for northern Italy which is less homogeneous and has considerable internal differences within it.

Originally Posted by Leto

Very cool. The Venetians are the most North European.

They are in the range of other northern Italians though. Some other results:

Friuli

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Verona

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Treviso/Vicenza

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Treviso

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Rovigo

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Verona

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**Leto** · 01-08-2019, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

This is quite obvious, especially for northern Italy which is less homogeneous and has considerable internal differences within it.

Are there many Southern Italians in North Italy? What would be your estimation of the SI population in North Italy, including half Southerners.

**~~Pausanias~~** · 01-08-2019, 07:54 PM

I do score more "Northern Italian" than these.

My results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.99
2 Tuscan 8.63
3 Romanian 10.68
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.71
5 Bulgarian 10.91
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.03

**Vid Flumina** · 01-08-2019, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf

Rovigo

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.84
2 East_Med 18.41
3 North_Sea 18.25
4 West_Med 17.71
5 Baltic 10.11
6 West_Asian 7.40
7 Eastern_Euro 4.00
8 Red_Sea 2.68

Potresti postare i risultati per intero, manca 0.6%..

**tipirneni** · 01-14-2019, 04:15 AM

I am completly unrelated to North Italy but I have some come up on GED site.

and ZN7749899 (Tuscan HGDP01168) [HGDP (Stanford)]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 8.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 465.7 cM (12.994 Pct)

278 shared segments found for this comparison.

349088 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.549 Pct SNPs are full identical

on Ged Genesis
Software Version Dec 31 2018 22:51:52