Eurogenes k15 PCA of my Serbian matches

[CommonSense]

I included only the people who left enough information for me to deduce that they are chiefly, if not fully, ethnic Serbs. A few individuals cluster literally on top of each other so I apologise if it seems like a mess at first...you should still be able to make everything out if you zoom in enough.

It would be cool if the other tested Serbian users did the same thing for their matches too.

[Dušan]

Good topic

[Ayetooey]

I'm guessing the extreme south plotting number 10 is from Montenegro but slightly mispelt?

Number 12 from Croatia also plots south, definitely not an Orthodox Croat!

[CommonSense]

I'm guessing the extreme south plotting number 10 is from Montenegro but slightly mispelt?

Number 12 from Croatia also plots south, definitely not an Orthodox Croat!

Yeah, she is fully Montenegrin and her father is from Podgorica (surname Pešić). I was stunned too when I saw where she plots. This is the first actual Montegrin sample I've seen so far, now I'm quite curious whether or not all of them are so different from Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian Serbs.

[Ayetooey]

Yeah, she is fully Montenegrin and her father is from Podgorica (surname Pešić). I was stunned too when I saw where she plots. This is the first actual Montegrin sample I've seen so far, now I'm quite curious whether or not all of them are so different from Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian Serbs.

I haven't seen any proper samples myself so this is just me guessing, but I would assume based on Y dna and clan locations, Montenegrins in West and North would be closer to Serbs, where as East Montenegrins who from maps I've seen are heavily ev13 would be more south plotting. Even Y dna maps I've seen have low samples so probably aren't a great representation, but east including Podgorica is always highest in EV13 and other southern y dnas.

[CommonSense]

Gedmatch scores of the Montenegrin woman:

Eurogenes k15:

1 West_Med 17.22
2 Baltic 17.17
3 East_Med 15.49
4 North_Sea 13.95
5 West_Asian 11.68
6 Eastern_Euro 11.36
7 Atlantic 10.03
8 Red_Sea 1.95
9 Siberian 0.78
10 Southeast_Asian 0.36
11 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.35
2 Romanian 7.16
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.61
4 Serbian 10.06
5 Greek 11.22
6 Moldavian 11.59
7 Croatian 14.52
8 Hungarian 15.7
9 Tuscan 15.78
10 Central_Greek 15.99
11 Ashkenazi 15.99
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.63
13 Austrian 17.06
14 East_Sicilian 17.12
15 North_Italian 17.19
16 West_Sicilian 18.31
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.5
18 South_Italian 19.59
19 East_German 20.12
20 Ukrainian 20.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Greek_Thessaly + 24.5% Erzya @ 4.5
2 55.7% Greek_Thessaly + 44.3% Moldavian @ 4.53
3 72.8% Greek_Thessaly + 27.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.77
4 73.6% Greek_Thessaly + 26.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.92
5 70.6% Greek_Thessaly + 29.4% Ukrainian @ 4.97
6 51% Greek + 49% Moldavian @ 5.03
7 59.2% Moldavian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 5.04
8 75.6% Greek_Thessaly + 24.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.06
9 75.5% Greek_Thessaly + 24.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.12
10 64.5% Moldavian + 35.5% South_Italian @ 5.17
11 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 5.17
12 69.9% Greek_Thessaly + 30.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.18
13 77.7% Greek_Thessaly + 22.3% Lithuanian @ 5.23
14 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.25
15 75.8% Greek_Thessaly + 24.2% Belorussian @ 5.34
16 62.8% Greek_Thessaly + 37.2% Croatian @ 5.36
17 71.4% Greek_Thessaly + 28.6% South_Polish @ 5.36
18 61.3% Moldavian + 38.7% East_Sicilian @ 5.42
19 56.7% Central_Greek + 43.3% Ukrainian @ 5.48
20 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% Polish @ 5.54

Eurogenes k13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.69
2 West_Med 21.46
3 North_Atlantic 18.23
4 East_Med 17.79
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 Red_Sea 2.21
7 Siberian 1.36
8 East_Asian 0.76
9 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.23
2 Romanian 6.86
3 Serbian 9.89
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.89
5 Moldavian 12.62
6 Croatian 15.91
7 Central_Greek 17.27
8 Hungarian 17.42
9 Tuscan 17.51
10 Italian_Abruzzo 17.96
11 North_Italian 18.05
12 East_Sicilian 18.68
13 West_Sicilian 19.08
14 Austrian 20.29
15 Ashkenazi 20.69
16 South_Italian 21.67
17 East_German 21.77
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.86
19 Ukrainian 23.06
20 South_Polish 23.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Moldavian + 41.3% Central_Greek @ 4.89
2 95.7% Bulgarian + 4.3% Sardinian @ 4.97
3 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Moldavian @ 4.97
4 96.7% Bulgarian + 3.3% Mari @ 5.06
5 96.2% Bulgarian + 3.8% Chuvash @ 5.06
6 98.1% Bulgarian + 1.9% Selkup @ 5.06
7 75.4% Greek_Thessaly + 24.6% Erzya @ 5.07
8 98.2% Bulgarian + 1.8% Ket @ 5.08
9 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Erzya @ 5.09
10 98% Bulgarian + 2% Hakas @ 5.1
11 57.7% Central_Greek + 42.3% Ukrainian @ 5.11
12 95.7% Bulgarian + 4.3% Tatar @ 5.11
13 98.8% Bulgarian + 1.2% Yakut @ 5.12
14 98.8% Bulgarian + 1.2% Dolgan @ 5.12
15 98.1% Bulgarian + 1.9% Shors @ 5.13
16 98.9% Bulgarian + 1.1% Evenki @ 5.13
17 92% Bulgarian + 8% Moldavian @ 5.13
18 98.9% Bulgarian + 1.1% Evens @ 5.13
19 98.6% Bulgarian + 1.4% Tuvinian @ 5.13
20 98.7% Bulgarian + 1.3% Buryat @ 5.13

Dodecad k12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.97
2 Caucasus 28.48
3 Atlantic_Med 27.35
4 Southwest_Asian 6.49
5 Gedrosia 3.8
6 East_Asian 1.08
7 Northwest_African 0.43
8 Siberian 0.25
9 Southeast_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 4.62
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 4.68
3 Romanians (Behar) 4.89
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.36
5 Greek (Dodecad) 13.88
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.81
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.85
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.95
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.96
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.77
11 Hungarians (Behar) 18.9
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.88
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.95
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.95
15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.18
16 German (Dodecad) 23.56
17 French (HGDP) 24.85
18 French (Dodecad) 24.86
19 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.99
20 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 26.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.03
2 80.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.4% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.05
3 57.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 42.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.23
4 92% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 8% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.4
5 70.6% Romanians (Behar) + 29.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.41
6 87.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.41
7 87.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 1.55
8 85.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
9 77.3% Romanians (Behar) + 22.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.59
10 78.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.6
11 77.3% Romanians (Behar) + 22.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.62
12 88.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.69
13 77.6% Romanians (Behar) + 22.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.7
14 87.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.4% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.76
15 88.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.77
16 88.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 1.79
17 92.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 7.6% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 1.8
18 86.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 13.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.85
19 72.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.85
20 87.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 1.87

[Ayetooey]

Damn, this lady must be Kuci clan lol.

[Pribislav]

Damn, this lady must be Kuci clan lol.

She is pretty southern from few Montenegrins whose results I have seen. Maybe recent Albanian admixture...

[CommonSense]

She is pretty southern from few Montenegrins whose results I have seen. Maybe recent Albanian admixture...

Albanians shift toward Tuscans from what I've seen, this one is more eastern than even Bulgarians!! If she does have some Albanian ancestry then she is an even bigger outlier:

[Carpatz]

Number 12 on the chart seems south shifting for a Croat Serb