Eurogenes k15 PCA of my Serbian matches

**CommonSense** · 02-12-2019, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nato

Lol man She plot exact like Seya I think. Probably she is hot. Aromanian ancestry ? For sure not Albanian, she is very far from them.

I think Jewish would make most sense, since they have a lot of east med + some west asian. A half Serbian, half Jewish person would plot more or less where she does.

**~~Ford~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:07 PM

I think this might be the appropriate thread to post this in? Anyways, this is the K15 plot of one of my Montenegrin dna relatives who has listed two surnames being from western Herzegovina and one from northern Bosnia (the rest (4) are from Montenegro).

**CommonSense** · 02-17-2019, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ford

I think this might be the appropriate thread to post this in? Anyways, this is the K15 plot of one of my Montenegrin dna relatives who has listed two surnames being from western Herzegovina and one from northern Bosnia (the rest are from Montenegro).

Nice find. His BiH ancestry must be pulling him to the northeast. A lot of Montenegrin Serbs could still have some recent ancestry from elsewhere, though even without it they are a part of our cluster. This guy plots on the same spot as Decius.

**~~Ford~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Nice find. His BiH ancestry must be pulling him to the northeast. A lot of Montenegrin Serbs could still have some recent ancestry from elsewhere, though even without it they are a part of our cluster. This guy plots on the same spot as Decius.

I've been following some of the discussion regarding Montenegrin results and I've gotten quite interested. I'll try to look through some more of my dna relatives to see if I can find more results and return with a more compiled plot of Montenegrins.

**CommonSense** · 02-17-2019, 02:31 PM

I guess I should post this guy here too, this is an extraordinary find, I can't believe I let it slip.

Anywhow, this man is a muslim from the Montenegrin part of Sandzak, a place called Vrbica. He has an Albanian haplogroup, R-Y32147 and among his relatives a ton are Albanians and one of the top matches is the banned member 'The Illyrian Warrior'. Interestingly, even despite that it seems he is closer to us than to the average Gheg.

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.96
2 North_Atlantic 23.97
3 West_Med 18.86
4 East_Med 17.28
5 West_Asian 9.43
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.29
2 Serbian 4.27
3 Bulgarian 4.71
4 Moldavian 9.17
5 Croatian 11.7
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.88
8 Austrian 14.77
9 East_German 16.37
10 North_Italian 16.46
11 Tuscan 17.25
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.24
13 South_Polish 18.99
14 West_German 19.23
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.33
16 Ukrainian 19.41
17 French 19.58
18 Central_Greek 19.99
19 West_Sicilian 20.49
20 South_Dutch 20.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% Croatian + 47.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2
2 67.7% Croatian + 32.3% South_Italian @ 2.22
3 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% South_Polish @ 2.33
4 60.3% Greek_Thessaly + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.34
5 73.8% Bulgarian + 26.2% Croatian @ 2.37
6 63.9% Greek_Thessaly + 36.1% Polish @ 2.41
7 63.4% Croatian + 36.6% Central_Greek @ 2.42
8 55.6% Ukrainian + 44.4% South_Italian @ 2.44
9 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% East_German @ 2.47
10 51.4% Ukrainian + 48.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.51
11 64% Croatian + 36% West_Sicilian @ 2.55
12 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.56
13 53.7% Serbian + 46.3% Bulgarian @ 2.59
14 85% Romanian + 15% Croatian @ 2.6
15 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Polish @ 2.6
16 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% South_Polish @ 2.62
17 64.8% Croatian + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.62
18 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% Ukrainian @ 2.62
19 83.1% Bulgarian + 16.9% Ukrainian @ 2.63
20 58.9% Greek_Thessaly + 41.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.64

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.05
2 North_Sea 16.28
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 14.18
5 East_Med 14.14
6 Eastern_Euro 10.71
7 West_Asian 8.46
8 Red_Sea 1.98
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.57
2 Serbian 4.89
3 Bulgarian 4.91
4 Moldavian 8.55
5 Croatian 9.86
6 Hungarian 10.56
7 Austrian 10.91
8 Greek_Thessaly 11.92
9 Greek 12.86
10 East_German 14.82
11 North_Italian 14.89
12 Tuscan 15.14
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.91
14 South_Polish 16.47
15 Ukrainian 16.83
16 Italian_Abruzzo 17.48
17 French 17.88
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.24
19 Ashkenazi 18.28
20 Central_Greek 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Croatian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.75
2 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% South_Italian @ 2.14
3 61.8% Greek_Thessaly + 38.2% Polish @ 2.21
4 65.5% Croatian + 34.5% Central_Greek @ 2.32
5 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% Hungarian @ 2.32
6 55.1% Hungarian + 44.9% Greek @ 2.34
7 56.9% Greek + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 2.36
8 55.5% Greek + 44.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.38
9 56.9% Croatian + 43.1% Greek @ 2.42
10 56.4% Ukrainian + 43.6% South_Italian @ 2.5
11 58.3% Greek_Thessaly + 41.7% South_Polish @ 2.51
12 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.52
13 56.4% Greek + 43.6% South_Polish @ 2.53
14 57% South_Polish + 43% South_Italian @ 2.54
15 72.8% Croatian + 27.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.62
16 62.4% Greek_Thessaly + 37.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.69
17 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Ukrainian @ 2.7
18 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% East_German @ 2.72
19 65% Greek_Thessaly + 35% Estonian_Polish @ 2.75
20 52.8% Ukrainian + 47.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

Dodecad K12B:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 36.08
2 Atlantic_Med 27.54
3 Caucasus 23.58
4 Southwest_Asian 5.68
5 Gedrosia 5.17
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Northwest_African 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.76
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.22
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.66
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.38
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.12
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.11
7 German (Dodecad) 17.84
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.22
9 Greek (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.73
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.43
13 French (Dodecad) 20.99
14 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.04
15 French (HGDP) 21.13
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.65
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.4
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.66
19 English (Dodecad) 24.82
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.95
2 66.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.23
3 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
4 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.32
5 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.41
6 79.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.9% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
7 78.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.46
8 79.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.5
9 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.53
10 79.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.53
11 77.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
12 77.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.1% English (Dodecad) @ 1.6
13 68.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.62
14 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
15 64.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
16 72.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
17 77.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
18 74.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.71
19 73.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.72
20 78.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.74

**Pribislav** · 02-17-2019, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I guess I should post this guy here too, this is an extraordinary find, I can't believe I let it slip.

Anywhow, this man is a muslim from the Montenegrin part of Sandzak, a place called Vrbica. He has an Albanian haplogroup, R-Y32147 and among his relatives a ton are Albanians and one of the top matches is the banned member 'The Illyrian Warrior'. Interestingly, even despite that it seems he is closer to us than to the average Gheg.

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.96
2 North_Atlantic 23.97
3 West_Med 18.86
4 East_Med 17.28
5 West_Asian 9.43
6 Red_Sea 2.09
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.29
2 Serbian 4.27
3 Bulgarian 4.71
4 Moldavian 9.17
5 Croatian 11.7
6 Hungarian 11.93
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.88
8 Austrian 14.77
9 East_German 16.37
10 North_Italian 16.46
11 Tuscan 17.25
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.24
13 South_Polish 18.99
14 West_German 19.23
15 Italian_Abruzzo 19.33
16 Ukrainian 19.41
17 French 19.58
18 Central_Greek 19.99
19 West_Sicilian 20.49
20 South_Dutch 20.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% Croatian + 47.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2
2 67.7% Croatian + 32.3% South_Italian @ 2.22
3 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% South_Polish @ 2.33
4 60.3% Greek_Thessaly + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 2.34
5 73.8% Bulgarian + 26.2% Croatian @ 2.37
6 63.9% Greek_Thessaly + 36.1% Polish @ 2.41
7 63.4% Croatian + 36.6% Central_Greek @ 2.42
8 55.6% Ukrainian + 44.4% South_Italian @ 2.44
9 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% East_German @ 2.47
10 51.4% Ukrainian + 48.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.51
11 64% Croatian + 36% West_Sicilian @ 2.55
12 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.56
13 53.7% Serbian + 46.3% Bulgarian @ 2.59
14 85% Romanian + 15% Croatian @ 2.6
15 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Polish @ 2.6
16 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% South_Polish @ 2.62
17 64.8% Croatian + 35.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.62
18 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% Ukrainian @ 2.62
19 83.1% Bulgarian + 16.9% Ukrainian @ 2.63
20 58.9% Greek_Thessaly + 41.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.64

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.05
2 North_Sea 16.28
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 14.18
5 East_Med 14.14
6 Eastern_Euro 10.71
7 West_Asian 8.46
8 Red_Sea 1.98
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.57
2 Serbian 4.89
3 Bulgarian 4.91
4 Moldavian 8.55
5 Croatian 9.86
6 Hungarian 10.56
7 Austrian 10.91
8 Greek_Thessaly 11.92
9 Greek 12.86
10 East_German 14.82
11 North_Italian 14.89
12 Tuscan 15.14
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.91
14 South_Polish 16.47
15 Ukrainian 16.83
16 Italian_Abruzzo 17.48
17 French 17.88
18 Spanish_Galicia 18.24
19 Ashkenazi 18.28
20 Central_Greek 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Croatian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.75
2 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% South_Italian @ 2.14
3 61.8% Greek_Thessaly + 38.2% Polish @ 2.21
4 65.5% Croatian + 34.5% Central_Greek @ 2.32
5 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% Hungarian @ 2.32
6 55.1% Hungarian + 44.9% Greek @ 2.34
7 56.9% Greek + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 2.36
8 55.5% Greek + 44.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.38
9 56.9% Croatian + 43.1% Greek @ 2.42
10 56.4% Ukrainian + 43.6% South_Italian @ 2.5
11 58.3% Greek_Thessaly + 41.7% South_Polish @ 2.51
12 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.52
13 56.4% Greek + 43.6% South_Polish @ 2.53
14 57% South_Polish + 43% South_Italian @ 2.54
15 72.8% Croatian + 27.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.62
16 62.4% Greek_Thessaly + 37.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.69
17 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Ukrainian @ 2.7
18 78.1% Bulgarian + 21.9% East_German @ 2.72
19 65% Greek_Thessaly + 35% Estonian_Polish @ 2.75
20 52.8% Ukrainian + 47.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.77

Dodecad K12B:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 36.08
2 Atlantic_Med 27.54
3 Caucasus 23.58
4 Southwest_Asian 5.68
5 Gedrosia 5.17
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Northwest_African 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.76
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.22
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.66
4 Hungarians (Behar) 13.38
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.12
6 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.11
7 German (Dodecad) 17.84
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.22
9 Greek (Dodecad) 19.57
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.73
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
12 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.43
13 French (Dodecad) 20.99
14 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 21.04
15 French (HGDP) 21.13
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 22.65
17 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.4
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.66
19 English (Dodecad) 24.82
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.95
2 66.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.23
3 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
4 68.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.32
5 66.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 33.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.41
6 79.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.9% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
7 78.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.46
8 79.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.5
9 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.53
10 79.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.53
11 77.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
12 77.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.1% English (Dodecad) @ 1.6
13 68.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.62
14 79.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 20.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
15 64.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
16 72.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
17 77.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
18 74.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.71
19 73.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.72
20 78.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.74

Typical Montenegrin results.

You shoul open separate thread about this Montenegrin Sandžakian Muslim.

**~~Ford~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:42 PM

Just one more thing: one of my dna relative's oldest ancestor was a hajduk from around Skadar and her coordinates are 492;253. There is a song about him:

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:44 PM

Montenegrin from capital city Podgorica

1 North_Sea 18.28
2 Baltic 17.49
3 West_Med 15.86
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 East_Med 12.69
6 Eastern_Euro 12.43
7 West_Asian 5.61
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 5.96
2 Romanian 7.15
3 Moldavian 8.23
4 Bulgarian 8.72
5 Croatian 9.96
6 Hungarian 10.02
7 Austrian 11.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
9 East_German 14.11
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.03
11 Greek 15.41
12 Ukrainian 15.75
13 North_Italian 15.76
14 South_Polish 15.95
15 Tuscan 16.68
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.48
17 French 17.49
18 West_German 18.26
19 Portuguese 18.29
20 Polish 18.44

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:46 PM

Serb with surname Momčilović, possibly from Croatia

1 North_Sea 20.77
2 Baltic 19.05
3 West_Asian 15.69
4 Atlantic 12.98
5 Eastern_Euro 12.06
6 East_Med 10.13
7 West_Med 9.25
8 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Moldavian 7.94
2 Romanian 8.53
3 Serbian 8.99
4 Hungarian 10.11
5 Croatian 10.45
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Austrian 12.3
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14
9 East_German 14.26
10 South_Polish 14.74
11 Ukrainian 15.15
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.25
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.26
14 Polish 17.74
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.09
16 Southwest_Russian 18.16
17 West_German 18.73
18 Greek 18.97
19 South_Dutch 19.54
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.02

**Pribislav** · 02-17-2019, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Nato

Serb with surname Momčilović, possibly from Croatia

1 North_Sea 20.77
2 Baltic 19.05
3 West_Asian 15.69
4 Atlantic 12.98
5 Eastern_Euro 12.06
6 East_Med 10.13
7 West_Med 9.25
8 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Moldavian 7.94
2 Romanian 8.53
3 Serbian 8.99
4 Hungarian 10.11
5 Croatian 10.45
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Austrian 12.3
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14
9 East_German 14.26
10 South_Polish 14.74
11 Ukrainian 15.15
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.25
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.26
14 Polish 17.74
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.09
16 Southwest_Russian 18.16
17 West_German 18.73
18 Greek 18.97
19 South_Dutch 19.54
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.02

Jana's Serbian ancestor was Momčilović from Lika.
Momčilovići from Lika and Kordun are R1a-M458.

Do you have K13 and K12 dodecad?