Eurogenes k15 PCA of my Serbian matches

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Jana's Serbian ancestor was Momčilović from Lika.
Momčilovići from Lika and Kordun are R1a-M458.

Do you have K13 and K12 dodecad?

Yeah, I know. Cumansky gave me this guy K15 for PCA, you should ask him about kit number.

**Pribislav** · 02-17-2019, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nato

Yeah, I know. Cumansky gave me this guy K15 for PCA, you should ask him about kit number.

Could you put here or sent to me in pm.

That guy is by paternal line probably from Lika or Kordun.

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-17-2019, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Could you put here or sent to me in pm.

That guy is by paternal line probably from Lika or Kordun.

Here you go bro : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5807756

Best if you contact him, dude looks to have ton of Eastern European kits from all over.

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-19-2019, 09:56 PM

another Serb I match on gedmatch, looks like high quality sample (very tight fit with Serb reference pop)

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 26.51
2 Baltic 25.98
3 West_Med 16.38
4 East_Med 15.98
5 West_Asian 10.69
6 Siberian 1.11
7 Amerindian 0.92
8 South_Asian 0.77
9 Northeast_African 0.71
10 Red_Sea 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 2.94
2 Romanian 3.45
3 Bulgarian 6.22
4 Moldavian 8.67
5 Hungarian 9.76
6 Croatian 11.04
7 Austrian 12.51
8 East_German 14.33
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.33
10 West_German 16.5
11 North_Italian 16.55
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.58
13 French 17.69
14 Tuscan 17.79
15 South_Polish 17.93
16 South_Dutch 18.16
17 Ukrainian 18.8
18 Italian_Abruzzo 19.77
19 Portuguese 20.1
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Hungarian @ 1.58
2 82.4% Romanian + 17.6% East_German @ 1.64
3 89% Romanian + 11% North_Swedish @ 1.65
4 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% East_German @ 1.76
5 80.3% Bulgarian + 19.7% North_Swedish @ 1.76
6 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Swedish @ 1.77
7 80.7% Romanian + 19.3% Austrian @ 1.78
8 89.3% Romanian + 10.7% Swedish @ 1.79
9 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.79
10 67.6% Bulgarian + 32.4% Austrian @ 1.85
11 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Hungarian @ 1.87
12 90% Romanian + 10% Norwegian @ 1.95
13 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% North_German @ 2
14 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Danish @ 2.04
15 81.4% Bulgarian + 18.6% Norwegian @ 2.06
16 91% Romanian + 9% Finnish @ 2.08
17 89.8% Romanian + 10.2% North_Dutch @ 2.09
18 86.7% Romanian + 13.3% South_Polish @ 2.1
19 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% North_German @ 2.13
20 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Estonian @ 2.14

**~~Ford~~** · 02-19-2019, 10:03 PM

I posted this in another thread but this one is maybe better.

This is a Serb (I think judging from his surnames) from around Knin:

K15
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5
2 Serbian 5.1
3 Bulgarian 6.87
4 Austrian 8.39
5 Moldavian 9.93
6 Croatian 10.06
7 Hungarian 10.49
8 East_German 12.97
9 North_Italian 13.71
10 Greek 14.45
11 Greek_Thessaly 14.49
12 Tuscan 15.03
13 French 15.2
14 South_Dutch 15.74
15 Spanish_Cataluna 16.29
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.61
17 Portuguese 16.65
18 South_Polish 16.68
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.86
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% French_Basque @ 2.77
2 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% Austrian @ 2.91
3 64.3% Austrian + 35.7% Greek @ 2.95
4 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% North_German @ 3.02
5 71.5% Bulgarian + 28.5% South_Dutch @ 3.02
6 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Irish @ 3.05
7 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.13
8 77.8% Bulgarian + 22.2% Southeast_English @ 3.14
9 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Southwest_French @ 3.14
10 77.4% Bulgarian + 22.6% Southwest_English @ 3.16
11 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% East_German @ 3.19
12 71.5% Austrian + 28.5% Central_Greek @ 3.23
13 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Austrian @ 3.3
14 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Danish @ 3.31
15 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% North_Dutch @ 3.42
16 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% South_Italian @ 3.42
17 52.9% East_German + 47.1% Greek @ 3.42
18 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Orcadian @ 3.43
19 84.3% Romanian + 15.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.5
20 85.2% Romanian + 14.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.52

**CommonSense** · 02-19-2019, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nato

another Serb I match on gedmatch, looks like high quality sample (very tight fit with Serb reference pop)

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 26.51
2 Baltic 25.98
3 West_Med 16.38
4 East_Med 15.98
5 West_Asian 10.69
6 Siberian 1.11
7 Amerindian 0.92
8 South_Asian 0.77
9 Northeast_African 0.71
10 Red_Sea 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 2.94
2 Romanian 3.45
3 Bulgarian 6.22
4 Moldavian 8.67
5 Hungarian 9.76
6 Croatian 11.04
7 Austrian 12.51
8 East_German 14.33
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.33
10 West_German 16.5
11 North_Italian 16.55
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.58
13 French 17.69
14 Tuscan 17.79
15 South_Polish 17.93
16 South_Dutch 18.16
17 Ukrainian 18.8
18 Italian_Abruzzo 19.77
19 Portuguese 20.1
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Hungarian @ 1.58
2 82.4% Romanian + 17.6% East_German @ 1.64
3 89% Romanian + 11% North_Swedish @ 1.65
4 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% East_German @ 1.76
5 80.3% Bulgarian + 19.7% North_Swedish @ 1.76
6 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Swedish @ 1.77
7 80.7% Romanian + 19.3% Austrian @ 1.78
8 89.3% Romanian + 10.7% Swedish @ 1.79
9 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.79
10 67.6% Bulgarian + 32.4% Austrian @ 1.85
11 61.7% Bulgarian + 38.3% Hungarian @ 1.87
12 90% Romanian + 10% Norwegian @ 1.95
13 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% North_German @ 2
14 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Danish @ 2.04
15 81.4% Bulgarian + 18.6% Norwegian @ 2.06
16 91% Romanian + 9% Finnish @ 2.08
17 89.8% Romanian + 10.2% North_Dutch @ 2.09
18 86.7% Romanian + 13.3% South_Polish @ 2.1
19 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% North_German @ 2.13
20 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Estonian @ 2.14

Higher NA over Baltic is different from the norm, but yes these are fairly standard results. If you posted his k15 I could add him to the PCA

**CommonSense** · 02-19-2019, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Ford

I posted this in another thread but this one is maybe better.

This is a Serb (I think judging from his surnames) from around Knin:

K15
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5
2 Serbian 5.1
3 Bulgarian 6.87
4 Austrian 8.39
5 Moldavian 9.93
6 Croatian 10.06
7 Hungarian 10.49
8 East_German 12.97
9 North_Italian 13.71
10 Greek 14.45
11 Greek_Thessaly 14.49
12 Tuscan 15.03
13 French 15.2
14 South_Dutch 15.74
15 Spanish_Cataluna 16.29
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.61
17 Portuguese 16.65
18 South_Polish 16.68
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.86
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% French_Basque @ 2.77
2 55.8% Bulgarian + 44.2% Austrian @ 2.91
3 64.3% Austrian + 35.7% Greek @ 2.95
4 75.2% Bulgarian + 24.8% North_German @ 3.02
5 71.5% Bulgarian + 28.5% South_Dutch @ 3.02
6 78.7% Bulgarian + 21.3% Irish @ 3.05
7 79.4% Bulgarian + 20.6% West_Scottish @ 3.13
8 77.8% Bulgarian + 22.2% Southeast_English @ 3.14
9 82.8% Romanian + 17.2% Southwest_French @ 3.14
10 77.4% Bulgarian + 22.6% Southwest_English @ 3.16
11 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% East_German @ 3.19
12 71.5% Austrian + 28.5% Central_Greek @ 3.23
13 67.2% Romanian + 32.8% Austrian @ 3.3
14 78.4% Bulgarian + 21.6% Danish @ 3.31
15 78.8% Bulgarian + 21.2% North_Dutch @ 3.42
16 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% South_Italian @ 3.42
17 52.9% East_German + 47.1% Greek @ 3.42
18 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Orcadian @ 3.43
19 84.3% Romanian + 15.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.5
20 85.2% Romanian + 14.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.52

You didn't copy the base values so I can't check, but this guy should plot similarly to Bosniensis.

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-19-2019, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Higher NA over Baltic is different from the norm, but yes these are fairly standard results. If you posted his k15 I could add him to the PCA

I was curious, so did it myself. Looks like he plots fairly similar like dude from northern Romania Carpatz

Population

North_Sea 20.25 Pct
Atlantic 14.48 Pct
Baltic 15.45 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.30 Pct
West_Med 12.16 Pct
West_Asian 9.83 Pct
East_Med 13.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.34 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African 0.53 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

**~~Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić~~** · 02-19-2019, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I think Jewish would make most sense, since they have a lot of east med + some west asian. A half Serbian, half Jewish person would plot more or less where she does.

She doesn't score inflated Red Sea, so this must be Vlach ancestry. We were just discussing that in Eastern Euro PCA thread, all south shifted Ukrainians and Poles has sort of Vlach input rather than Jewish.