Krajina Serb (from Banija) results

[Pribislav]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

[Bosniensis]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

Is there any Romance speakers in Bosnia, like tribes on mountain ranges etc?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

Maybe he has local admixture in Croatia with Panonnians. But can't say for sure unless we see Banovina Croat results.

[Pribislav]

Is there any Romance speakers in Bosnia, like tribes on mountain ranges etc?

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

[Bosniensis]

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

I have always wandered what happened to pre-slavic people of Western Balkans. It looks like Slavs murdered all.

[Max Soldo]

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

Vucic descends from these as the village of Cipuljici in Bugojno was a Cincar (Aroumanian) colony. Many of them were kalajdzije. I'd love to see him tested and then have it compared with the Cincari results that we already have from Albania, Greece and Northern Macedonia.

As for Vlach toponyms in mountains you have:

Cincar (Aroumanian) 2006m
Vlasic (Vlach Mountain) 1933m
Romanija 1652m

All three of these are associated with Nomadic Pastoralism historically.

[Pribislav]

I have always wandered what happened to pre-slavic people of Western Balkans. It looks like Slavs murdered all.

Some were probably survived Avars in Dinaric Alps and latet were abssorbed by Slavs.

Majority escaped to Dalmatian coast and islands because of Avars. Their language survived in the coast mostly to the late middle age. In island Krk last speaker of Dalmatian language Tuone Udaina died in 1898 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuone_Udaina
Coastal/islander speakers of Dalmatian language were partly slavized and partly assimilatted by Venetians (later became Italians).

Dalmatian language

[Bosniensis]

Some were probably survived Avars in Dinaric Alps and latet were abssorbed by Slavs.

Majority escaped to Dalmatian coast and islands because of Avars. Their language survived in the coast mostly to the late middle age. In island Krk last speaker of Dalmatian language Tuone Udaina died in 1898 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuone_Udaina
Coastal/islander speakers of Dalmatian language were partly slavized and partly assimilatted by Venetians (later became Italians).

Dalmatian language

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

[Pribislav]

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

I don't give a fuck for Albanian propaganda.
Albanians in the middle age were small ethnic group which mostly lived in Mati region in central Albania. They were highlander sheperds living in katuns, in the same time Serbs had organized state with kings and pretty high culture.
In Albanians language there are many weird non-European alike words (for example Zemra - Heart, and Bora - Snow), but this is long story and off topic.
Before Ottomans there was no Albanians in Kosovo. Look at Ottoman census of Kosovo 1455 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...of_Kosovo#1455

[Dušan]

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

We have both Slavic and paleo-Balkan genetics.
Paleo-Balkan genetic among Serbs ranges between 20%-55%, depending of individuals (based on FTDNA autosomal results).

For example, how can 63% of me go back to Ukraine, and 36% stay at Balkans?