Bulgarian Autosomal (very differing) Results

[Sofia]

Hello everyone, first post here!

I am from Bulgaria pretty much and all my recent ancestors are from here. Maternal grandmother from southwest Bulgaria, distant ancestors originally from Kilkis, Greece.
I've noticed significant differences in the results I've received. I trust GEDmatch the most and both FTDNA and MyHeritage seem a bit BS but I'm wondering what your opinions are.

mtDNA: H2a2a1

FTDNA


MyHeritage

(1.4% Фински is Finnish)

DNA.LAND - 3 different interpretations (used DNA Kit Studio)


Eurogenes K36 similarity map


Eurogenes K13

Spoiler!

1 North_Atlantic 26.9
2 Baltic 22.33
3 East_Med 21.27
4 West_Med 16.06
5 West_Asian 9.16
6 Siberian 2
7 Red_Sea 1.27
8 Amerindian 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.29
10 East_Asian 0.11
11 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.76
2 Bulgarian 5.91
3 Serbian 6.82
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.92
5 Tuscan 13.7
6 North_Italian 13.81
7 Moldavian 13.88
8 Hungarian 13.89
9 Italian_Abruzzo 15.71
10 Austrian 16.04
11 Croatian 16.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.1
13 Central_Greek 17.44
14 French 17.88
15 West_German 18.04
16 East_German 18.23
17 East_Sicilian 18.5
18 Portuguese 18.7
19 Ashkenazi 19.4
20 South_Dutch 19.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% Hungarian + 34.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.74
2 58.6% Hungarian + 41.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.95
3 58.1% South_Italian + 41.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.96
4 51.6% East_German + 48.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.23
5 72.6% Greek_Thessaly + 27.4% North_Swedish @ 3.29
6 54.9% Austrian + 45.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.3
7 60.8% Hungarian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 3.31
8 65.8% Hungarian + 34.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.34
9 66.1% Hungarian + 33.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.35
10 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.42
11 63% Central_Greek + 37% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.52
12 68% Italian_Abruzzo + 32% Estonian @ 3.56
13 76.7% Serbian + 23.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.61
14 56% Hungarian + 44% Central_Greek @ 3.64
15 81.8% Serbian + 18.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.65
16 67.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.5% Finnish @ 3.66
17 55.5% Hungarian + 44.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.66
18 74.4% Serbian + 25.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.67
19 65.6% West_Sicilian + 34.4% Finnish @ 3.69
20 57.5% Hungarian + 42.5% East_Sicilian @ 3.7

Dodecad K12b

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1 North_European 33.79
2 Atlantic_Med 26.22
3 Caucasus 25.5
4 Southwest_Asian 6.82
5 Gedrosia 4.72
6 Siberian 2.16
7 South_Asian 0.58
8 East_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 4.58
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.4
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 5.98
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.59
5 Hungarians (Behar) 16.24
6 Greek (Dodecad) 16.89
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.16
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.09
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.3
10 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.61
11 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
12 German (Dodecad) 21.04
13 French (Dodecad) 23.47
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.53
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 23.55
16 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 23.55
17 French (HGDP) 23.57
18 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 23.77
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 24.06
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 25.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 35.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.74
2 65.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.16
3 71.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 59.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.52
5 69.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 30.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.67
6 51% Hungarians (Behar) + 49% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.68
7 72.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.72
8 72.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.77
9 65.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.81
10 59.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.86
11 59.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.94
12 83.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 16.2% French (HGDP) @ 2.95
13 89% Romanians (Behar) + 11% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 3.08
14 68.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.1
15 89.1% Romanians (Behar) + 10.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 3.11
16 89.8% Romanians (Behar) + 10.2% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 3.12
17 65.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 34.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.12
18 90.6% Romanians (Behar) + 9.4% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 3.13
19 88.8% Romanians (Behar) + 11.2% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 3.15
20 87.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 3.15

MDLP World-22

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1 North-East-European 40.44
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 29.44
3 West-Asian 14.93
4 Near_East 10.14
5 East-Siberean 1.88
6 Indo-Iranian 0.96
7 North-European-Mesolithic 0.52
8 North-Siberean 0.42
9 Mesoamerican 0.38
10 Indo-Tibetan 0.32
11 Arctic-Amerind 0.28
12 South-America_Amerind 0.18
13 South-African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian (derived) 3.77
2 Bulgarian (derived) 3.92
3 Gagauz (derived) 5.43
4 Montenegrin (derived) 5.71
5 Serbian (derived) 6.13
6 Romania (derived) 7.48
7 Bosnian (derived) 9.71
8 Croatian (derived) 11.83
9 German-South (derived) 12.29
10 Hungarian (derived) 12.47
11 Swiss (derived) 12.64
12 Italian_North (derived) 13.09
13 Austrian (derived) 13.43
14 German_V (derived) 13.63
15 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 14.5
16 Provancestralal (derived) 14.77
17 Slovenian (derived) 14.92
18 CEU_V (derived) 15.55
19 German (derived) 15.78
20 Croatian_V (derived) 15.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.1% Greek_Center (derived) + 41.9% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 1.72
2 62% Greek_North (derived) + 38% Sorb (derived) @ 1.77
3 55% Greek_East (derived) + 45% Sorb (derived) @ 1.83
4 51.4% Ukrainian_V (derived) + 48.6% Italian-South (derived) @ 1.83
5 50.5% Italian-Center (derived) + 49.5% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.85
6 53.6% Greek_Center (derived) + 46.4% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.87
7 68.1% Bosnian (derived) + 31.9% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 1.87
8 60.9% Greek_Center (derived) + 39.1% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.88
9 56.7% Greek_East (derived) + 43.3% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 1.9
10 58.9% Greek_East (derived) + 41.1% Polish (derived) @ 1.92
11 55.7% Greek_East (derived) + 44.3% Belarusian_V (derived) @ 1.92
12 52.8% Italian-South (derived) + 47.2% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 1.94
13 55.1% Italian-Center (derived) + 44.9% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 1.94
14 65.7% Greek_North (derived) + 34.3% Polish (derived) @ 1.95
15 54.7% Italian-Center (derived) + 45.3% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 1.95
16 63.2% Greek_Center (derived) + 36.8% Russian (derived) @ 1.96
17 63.6% Greek_North (derived) + 36.4% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 1.96
18 60.3% Greek_Center (derived) + 39.7% Polish (derived) @ 1.97
19 62.7% Greek_North (derived) + 37.3% Belarusian_V (derived) @ 1.98
20 53.2% Italian-South (derived) + 46.8% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 2

puntDNAL K12

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1 Anatolian_NF 39.23
2 European_HG 28.2
3 Caucasus_HG 22.78
4 Near_East 6.97
5 Siberian 1.62
6 Amerindian 1.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 5.02
2 Bulgarian 5.8
3 Greek 6.29
4 Tuscan 6.97
5 Romanian 9.12
6 Italian_Bergamo 9.14
7 Croatian 10.49
8 French 11.53
9 Belgian 12.2
10 Spanish_Southwest 12.61
11 Sicilian_West 13.41
12 German_South 13.79
13 Dutch_South 13.82
14 Spanish_Northeast 14.02
15 Ashkenazi_Jew 14.18
16 Utahn_European 14.48
17 Spanish_Canaries 14.63
18 Sicilian_East 15
19 Hungarian 15.39
20 English_South 16.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% Tuscan + 17.2% Finnish @ 1.66
2 82.4% Tuscan + 17.6% Russian @ 1.77
3 80% Tuscan + 20% Mordovian @ 1.9
4 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Sardinian @ 1.91
5 60.4% Dutch_South + 39.6% Turkish_Jew @ 1.95
6 73% French + 27% Assyrian @ 2.09
7 74.9% French + 25.1% Iranian_Jew @ 2.09
8 75.6% French + 24.4% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.09
9 60.8% Tuscan + 39.2% Croatian @ 2.19
10 60.1% Greek + 39.9% Romanian @ 2.25
11 50.9% Utahn_European + 49.1% Sicilian_East @ 2.26
12 81.2% Tuscan + 18.8% Belarusian @ 2.27
13 83.6% Tuscan + 16.4% Estonian @ 2.28
14 52.7% Sicilian_East + 47.3% English_South @ 2.29
15 57.3% Tuscan + 42.7% Romanian @ 2.29
16 71.2% French + 28.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.33
17 75.9% French + 24.1% Georgian_Jew @ 2.34
18 69.8% Tuscan + 30.2% Hungarian @ 2.36
19 74.8% Tuscan + 25.2% Czech @ 2.36
20 69.2% Belgian + 30.8% Cypriot @ 2.36

[Bosniensis]

your FTDNA and MyHeritage are so different like they are showing two different samples.

[CommonSense]

Honestly, your results don't really seem out of the ordinary to me. Maybe a bit more shifted towards Romania than the average. The only thing that sort of stands out is the 2% Siberian on all calculators.

Can you post your Eurogenes K15?

[North Sea]

Same Mtdna as me

[karakartal]

I'm from Kilkis too. I'm a Balkan Turk.

You must be mixed with Balkan Turks. Your Siberian score is the important score. Maybe you don't mix with Balkan Turks, your siberian score came proto Bulgars.

[Sofia]

Honestly, your results don't really seem out of the ordinary to me. Maybe a bit more shifted towards Romania than the average. The only thing that sort of stands out is the 2% Siberian on all calculators.

Can you post your Eurogenes K15?

Yes, after seeing some Balkan results, I do feel like my results are very normal and the oracles confirm that. I am a bit mad that the commercial servies didn't pick up on the Siberian that gedmatch gives me.

Spoiler!

1 North_Sea 18.14
2 East_Med 17.45
3 Atlantic 17.24
4 Baltic 15.77
5 West_Med 11.63
6 West_Asian 9.69
7 Eastern_Euro 6.78
8 Siberian 1.58
9 Red_Sea 1.34
10 Amerindian 0.25
11 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.17
2 Bulgarian 6.15
3 Serbian 7.16
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.49
5 Greek 11.85
6 Austrian 12.56
7 Hungarian 12.6
8 Moldavian 12.62
9 Tuscan 13.04
10 Croatian 13.75
11 North_Italian 13.75
12 Italian_Abruzzo 14.63
13 Central_Greek 16.05
14 Ashkenazi 16.36
15 West_Sicilian 16.38
16 East_German 16.53
17 East_Sicilian 16.87
18 French 17.1
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.97
20 Portuguese 18.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.8% Hungarian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 3.37
2 65% Italian_Abruzzo + 35% Estonian @ 3.77
3 68.7% Greek + 31.3% Swedish @ 3.79
4 56.5% Hungarian + 43.5% Central_Greek @ 3.82
5 54.8% South_Italian + 45.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.91
6 54.1% Hungarian + 45.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.92
7 58.3% South_Italian + 41.7% Estonian @ 3.95
8 68.7% Greek + 31.3% North_Swedish @ 4.03
9 55.1% Greek_Thessaly + 44.9% Austrian @ 4.04
10 55.8% South_Italian + 44.2% Finnish @ 4.07
11 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.13
12 57.9% Hungarian + 42.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.14
13 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% West_German @ 4.19
14 51.8% Greek + 48.2% Hungarian @ 4.23
15 66.5% Hungarian + 33.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.28
16 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% West_Norwegian @ 4.31
17 71.5% Hungarian + 28.5% Cyprian @ 4.32
18 65.7% Hungarian + 34.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.33
19 57.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.35
20 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Orcadian @ 4.36

Seems like the K15 scaled the Siberian a bit down.

your FTDNA and MyHeritage are so different like they are showing two different samples.

I know right, very strange

[Leto]

Eurogenes averages:

Bulgarian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.06
2 North_Atlantic 21.75
3 East_Med 20.12
4 West_Med 17.91
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 Red_Sea 1.95
7 Amerindian 0.57
8 East_Asian 0.52
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.41
11 Sub-Saharan 0.16
12 Northeast_African 0.11
13 South_Asian 0.11

Bulgarian K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 16.38
2 East_Med 16.27
3 Atlantic 15.88
4 West_Med 13.76
5 North_Sea 12.88
6 West_Asian 11.88
7 Eastern_Euro 9.34
8 Red_Sea 2.18
9 Amerindian 0.30
10 Oceanian 0.28
11 South_Asian 0.26
12 Northeast_African 0.18
13 Southeast_Asian 0.17
14 Siberian 0.14
15 Sub-Saharan 0.11

[North Sea]

Your DNA LAND results are very similar btw , its just read differently. A lot of the Med Islander, South Central Europe and some South Western Europe can be added into Balkan . Its defi nitrly Paleo Balkan ancestry. I have seen ancient Balkan samples score these things and even Albanians. This would make you around 80% Balkan atleast same as that converted file.


FTDNA is more ancient and the Iberia there can be added onto South Eastern Europe. The ASIA MINOR I am not sure about but maybe it too could be added. We used to get it on the old My Origin but not anymore. I just scored 100% South East Euro. This also would make you genetically quite native but with some Slavic.


You are basically a Balkan person with some Slavic ancestry also. Similar to many South Slavs.

MyHeritage is unreliable as their Balkan there is very vague but results there should also be something similar.

[Sofia]

I'm from Kilkis too. I'm a Balkan Turk.

You must be mixed with Balkan Turks. Your Siberian score is the important score. Maybe you don't mix with Balkan Turks, your siberian score came proto Bulgars.

That is very interesting. I also wanna add that the (2nd) oldest known paternal ancestor(late 19th century, early 20th century) is half Albanian & half Greek (don't know from where), the Greek part being his father. He was from a village in Bulgaria called Mandritsa (the only Albanian village in Bulgaria).

When I was doing the DNA test I was secretly hoping to find Siberian DNA in my results as I am very fond of this geographic region and the native people there. Many people have told me I have East Asian look as well. I don't have epicanthic folds or anything striking, but just a vibe. Maybe something like Kaspias from here but he has A TON of Siberian, Central and East Asian DNA

[Leto]

When I was doing the DNA test I was secretly hoping to find Siberian DNA in my results as I am very fond of this geographic region and the native people there. Many people have told me I have East Asian look as well. I don't have epicanthic folds or anything striking, but just a vibe. Maybe something like Kaspias from here but he has A TON of Siberian, Central and East Asian DNA

You can send me your photo, I'm curious. You're only about 2% on GEDmatch. I get between 5 and 7% or so but nothing is visible phenotypically.