New improved World Medieval G25 unscaled calculator

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

Could someone please run mine. Thanks in advance.

DacoCeltic_scaled,0.133173,0.13405,0.043369,0.0226 1,0.028313,0.01004,0.00235,0.004384,0.002863,0.006 014,-0.00747,0.008243,-0.014123,-0.004542,0.004072,-0.000796,0.001043,-0.00076,0.006913,-0.002876,-0.001123,0.004699,0.005423,0.00976,-0.005628

DacoCeltic,0.0117,0.0132,0.0115,0.007,0.0092,0.003 6,0.001,0.0019,0.0014,0.0033,-0.0046,0.0055,-0.0095,-0.0033,0.003,-0.0006,0.0008,-0.0006,0.0055,-0.0023,-0.0009,0.0038,0.0044,0.0081,-0.0047

[1] "distance%=0.7027"

DacoCeltic

ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,30
CELTIC,25.6
GERMANIC,21.2
GRECO-ROMAN,11
CELTIBERIAN,3
SLAVIC,2.2
VIKING-RUS,2.2
IBERIAN,1.8
AQUITANIAN,1.2
ALANIC,1
HUNNIC,0.6
JAPANESE,0.2

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by J. Ketch

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
JKetch_old,0.0113,0.0136,0.018,0.0157,0.0127,0.008 ,0.0021,0.0033,0.0017,0.0011,-0.0073,0.0057,-0.0106,-0.0096,0.0145,-0.0009,-0.0155,0.0035,0.0011,-0.0039,0.004,0.0044,-0.0008,0.0099,-0.003

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
JKetch_new,0.0112,0.0134,0.0178,0.0177,0.0144,0.00 85,0.0019,0.003,0.0017,0.0037,-0.0066,0.0072,-0.0074,-0.0101,0.0147,-0.0047,-0.0197,0.0033,-0.001,-0.0043,0.0047,0.0046,0,0.0111,-0.0035

Cheers.

[1] "distance%=1.2616"

JKetch_new

CELTIC,83.6
GERMANIC,9.4
CELTIBERIAN,3.2
AQUITANIAN,2.4
IBERIAN,0.8
VIKING-FINN,0.6

[1] "distance%=0.931"

JKetch_old

CELTIC,84.8
GERMANIC,9.8
VIKING-BRIT,2.4
IBERIAN,1.2
CELTIBERIAN,0.8
AQUITANIAN,0.6
LUSITANIAN,0.2
VIKING-FINN,0.2

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Bunalim

Can someone please do mine and my fathers?

Me

Spoiler!

Father

Spoiler!

[1] "distance%=1.236"

NW

ALANIC,40.8
IBERIAN,19.4
CELTIC,17.4
GRECO-ROMAN,7.4
GERMANIC,5.6
ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,4.2
PERSIAN,3.4
AFRICAN,1.2
SOUTHEAST-ASIA,0.6

[1] "distance%=1.9813"

Father

ALANIC,75
GRECO-ROMAN,21.8
PERSIAN,1.4
ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN,1
LEVANTINE,0.6
AFRICAN,0.2

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Are you sure you are fully Irish? You seem to be less Celtic than Firemonkey and his dad and they are both British.

[1] "distance%=0.9609"

Tim_G

CELTIC,46.8
GERMANIC,42.8
VIKING-BRIT,6.8
AQUITANIAN,2
CELTIBERIAN,1.2
NORTH-AMERICA,0.2
SOUTHEAST-ASIA,0.2

[1] "distance%=0.816"

Tim_G_father

CELTIC,47.8
GERMANIC,40.4
CELTIBERIAN,3.4
AQUITANIAN,2.8
VIKING-BRIT,2.4
VIKING-FINN,2
IBERIAN,0.6
BALTIC,0.4
LEVANTINE,0.2

In this calc you can detect an Irish if Viking-Brit is high.
It is really hard to make a calc which would properly distinguish Celtic and Germanic.
Grace O'Malley is definitely an Irish according to my calc.

**Peterski** · 04-19-2019, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by ph2ter

In this calc you can detect an Irish if Viking-Brit is high.
It is really hard to make a calc which would properly distinguish Celtic and Germanic.

Adding RISE174 and LBA Scotland should help.

I think it is not hard but people don't want to do it.

**Peterski** · 04-19-2019, 06:46 AM

When I say that people don't want to do it, what I mean is that NW Europeans are really obsessed about claiming that it is impossible to tell apart Celtic and Germanic. They don't want to know how Celtic they are, they want to be told that Celtic and Germanic are indistinguishable categories.

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Adding RISE174 and LBA Scotland should help.

I think it is not hard but people don't want to do it.

Everything in time. Not so fast. I am not sure that would help.

**Grace O'Malley** · 04-19-2019, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Peterski

When I say that people don't want to do it, what I mean is that NW Europeans are really obsessed about claiming that it is impossible to tell apart Celtic and Germanic. They don't want to know how Celtic they are, they want to be told that Celtic and Germanic are indistinguishable categories.

That's not true. The facts are that all Northwestern Europeans cluster together genetically. Any dna plot shows this. Some populations have had more drift but if you look at any calculators there is no division. If it was shown that there was a distinction many people would love it and in fact most Irish want to separate themselves from the surrounding area and actually embrace being told they have unique origins. Anyone looking objectively at genetics knows this to be untrue and wishful thinking. What exactly do you label as Celtic for starters? Do you really believe people don't want to be told they are Celtic? My experience has been the opposite.

**ph2ter** · 04-19-2019, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

That's not true. The facts are that all Northwestern Europeans cluster together genetically. Any dna plot shows this. Some populations have had more drift but if you look at any calculators there is no division. If it was shown that there was a distinction many people would love it and in fact most Irish want to separate themselves from the surrounding area and actually embrace being told they have unique origins. Anyone looking objectively at genetics knows this to be untrue and wishful thinking. What exactly do you label as Celtic for starters? Do you really believe people don't want to be told they are Celtic? My experience has been the opposite.

And my experience is also that people usualy love to be told that they are of Celtic descend.

**Peterski** · 04-19-2019, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

What exactly do you label as Celtic for starters?

And what do you label as Germanic for starters?

Why do we use samples from Italy (Collegno), Hungary (Szolad) and Britain (Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms) as Germanic, when it is known that Germanic people are not native to these areas? We should use as Germanic samples from natively Germanic areas, such as Scandinavia, North Germany and North Netherlands.

Those far away from home were mixed with locals.