"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

[Mingle]

No such thing as Iranic identity today, your 'Iranic identity' was wiped out by Arabs and their Islam. You guys utterly failed at preserving the beautiful culture that Northern Europeans gave you.

Same applies to Germanics then.

[Token]

Thread is based on a false premise. I've yet to see an Iranic on here deny that Proto-Iranics had significant Yamnaya admixture and by extent that Yamnaya didn't have significant Northern European admixture. Also, having Northern European admixture doesn't make them Northern Europeans themselves or give Northern Euros the right to claim them. Modern Iranics have direct ancestry from Proto-Iranics, Northern Euros do not.

BTW, there hasn't been any IVC sample found as far as I know. What are you using as proxy for IVC? SISBA3?

They didn't just have Northern European admixture, they were actually pretty much full blown Northern Europeans. I'm using the culture where most archeologists, linguists and geneticists place the Proto-Iranic ground zero to proxy Proto-Iranic admixture, which makes complete sense, and all Iranic speakers shows some level of admixture coming from these people. Notably is the fact that, in India, the higher the caste the more Sintashta-related admixture people have.

Yamnaya didn't have Northern European admixture, they were the ones that gave birth to the Northern European genepool. You can't have admixture from a people that you originated.

[MS85]

Thread is based on a false premise. I've yet to see an Iranic on here deny that Proto-Iranics had significant Yamnaya admixture and by extent that Yamnaya didn't have significant Northern European admixture. Also, having Northern European admixture doesn't make them Northern Europeans themselves or give Northern Euros the right to claim them. Modern Iranics have direct ancestry from Proto-Iranics, Northern Euros do not.

BTW, there hasn't been any IVC sample found as far as I know. What are you using as proxy for IVC? SISBA3?

Never heard of Graeco-ARYAN group? according to this theory Greco-Aryan evovled somewhere in Anatolia/Armenian Plateau one group went West and became Hellenic, other group went SouthEast (Kurdistan) and became Iranic (ARYAN).

Vyacheslav Ivanov wrote great stuff about it!


Some Steppes ancestry in south came much, much later as geneflow, or even by later Steppes people like the NOMADIC Scythians. But it has NOTHIG to do with Iranians or even proto-Indo-Iranians!


I have somewhere on my comp a paper based on IVC and it says that IVC is Iranic/ARYAN + AASI

[MS85]

They didn't just have Northern European admixture, they were actually pretty much full blown Northern Europeans. I'm using the culture where most archeologists, linguists and geneticists place the Proto-Iranic ground zero to proxy Proto-Iranic admixture, which makes complete sense, and all Iranic speakers shows some level of admixture coming from these people. Notably is the fact that, in India, the higher the caste the more Sintashta-related admixture people have.

Yamnaya didn't have Northern European admixture, they were the ones that gave birth to the Northern European genepool. You can't have admixture from a people that you originated.

No, this is bull. Those people were never found in Kurdistan or Iran. They never found 'full blown Northern Europeans' skeletons in Kurdistan, lol.

Copper Age Iranians / ARYAN Medes had same DNA as modern Kurds.


Ancient DNA from Kurdistan is actually the same as modern Kurdish DNA in Kurdistan and doesn't indicate any migration from the Steppes at all.

[MS85]

Show me any ancient DNA from Kurdistan or ancient Western Persia that is 'full blown Northern Europeans', lol.

You can't and nobody can. Why? Because Kurdistan has always been Kurdic/Iranic/ARYAN and not Mongoloid.

Actually, they found many ancient, very acient samples in Kurdistan and none of those ARYAN samples from Zagros were 'full blown Northern Europeans', LMAO. Not from Neolithic age, not from the Copper Age, not from the Iron Age, NEVER!


As an TRUE full blooded ARYAN Kurd, I'm saying: ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

[Fibonacci]

No such thing as Iranic identity today, your 'Iranic identity' was wiped out by Arabs and their Islam. You guys utterly failed at preserving the beautiful culture that Northern Europeans gave you.

Don't feed me that shit, if I had the option to go back in time and wipe out those ass backward sand monkeys and muhammedans from destroying and shitting in Iranian culture, I would. I wasn't born under islamic culture nor do I welcome it. Im not named after muslim animals and pedophiles nor do I follow any of their ideologies.

Northern Europeans and eastern Europeans lost their paganism to another Semitic trash from the deserts of israel. You're all in the same boat

[Token]

Same applies to Germanics then.

Christianity was much more lenient to folk customs since the beginning, specially after it got in the hands of the Romans. The folklore and customs of Germanic countries remains pretty much undisturbed since pagan times.

[Mingle]

They didn't just have Northern European admixture, they were actually pretty much full blown Northern Europeans. I'm using the culture where most archeologists, linguists and geneticists place the Proto-Iranic ground zero to proxy Proto-Iranic admixture, which makes complete sense, and all Iranic speakers shows some level of admixture coming from these people. Notably is the fact that, in India, the higher the caste the more Sintashta-related admixture people have.

Yamnaya didn't have Northern European admixture, they were the ones that gave birth to the Northern European genepool. You can't have admixture from a people that you originated.

My point is they had a common origin with Northern Euros. They didn't migrate from Northern Europe, and Northern Euros don't descend from them. Every Iranic or Indic that has been on GEDmatch knows they partially descend from a group that had a lot of Northern Europe-related DNA.

What are you using for BMAC and IVC in the OP? I wanna model myself with those components.

[MS85]

Christianity was much more lenient to folk customs since the beginning, specially after it got in the hands of the Romans. The folklore and customs of Germanic countries remains pretty much undisturbed since pagan times.

Christianity is like Judaism and Islam a SEMITIC religion. Jesus was a Semitic Jew.

You have got Judeo/Christean traditions. VERY SEMITIC!


My NATIVE religion (Yezidism/Mitraism) is ARYAN. I was BORN to this ARYAN religion!


ARYANISM FOREVER, b!tch$s!

[Cumansky]

My point is they had a common origin with Northern Euros. They didn't migrate from Northern Europe, and Northern Euros don't descend from them. Every Iranic or Indic that has been on GEDmatch knows they partially descend from a group that had a lot of Northern Europe-related DNA.

What are you using for BMAC and IVC in the OP? I wanna model myself with those components.

Who are Jasz people to you? Do you consider them northern European, European, or what you consider them?