"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

[Zoro]

Andronovo or Sintashta never lived in the Iran area. We'll never see their bones in Iran. There were off course Alans, Sakas and Scythians and other Iron Age groups in the area though.

Also you just can't jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age. There were no pure Andronovans or Sintashtans in the Iron Age. Therefore the steppe admixture in Persians and Kurds and other Iranics and R1a that was introduced in the Iron Age and later must have been by Alans, Sakas, Scythians and other Iron Age groups and also by some more recent migrations from the steppe.

Anyone with half a brain can see what the guy at Eurogenes blog and some idiots at Anthrogenica are preaching is bullshit because there were no pure Andronovans and Sintashtans in the Iron Age and especially in the Iran vicinity in the Iron Age. The steppe groups that were in the area in the Iron Age were Alans, Sakas, Scythians and some others. Therefore they are the ones who are relevant.

The reason that the Eurogenes blogger keep pushing Bronze Age groups and pretends that we can jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age or the Medieval period is because he wants to make it seem that Europeans dominated our Iranic women and conquered us because Andronovo and Sintashta are a little more European than Sakas, Alans and Scythians and other Iron Age and Medieval steppe groups in our area. Even though I would not consider Andronovo and Sintashta as 100% pure European.

[Fibonacci]

Andronovo or Sintashta never lived in the Iran area. We'll never see their bones in Iran. There were off course Alans, Sakas and Scythians and other Iron Age groups in the area though.

Also you just can't jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age. There were no pure Andronovans or Sintashtans in the Iron Age. Therefore the steppe admixture in Persians and Kurds and other Iranics and R1a that was introduced in the Iron Age and later must have been by Alans, Sakas, Scythians and other Iron Age groups and also by some more recent migrations from the steppe.

Anyone with half a brain can see what the guy at Eurogenes blog and some idiots at Anthrogenica are preaching is bullshit because there were no pure Andronovans and Sintashtans in the Iron Age and especially in the Iran vicinity in the Iron Age. The steppe groups that were in the area in the Iron Age were Alans, Sakas, Scythians and some others. Therefore they are the ones who are relevant.

The reason that the Eurogenes blogger keep pushing Bronze Age groups and pretends that we can jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age or the Medieval period is because he wants to make it seem that Europeans dominated our Iranic women and conquered us because Andronovo and Sintashta are a little more European than Sakas, Alans and Scythians and other Iron Age and Medieval steppe groups in our area. Even though I would not consider Andronovo and Sintashta as 100% pure European.

I don't consider any of those groups you mentioned European. Not by identity nor genetics. They were all mixed to shit long before that. Most of proto Iranians were already a mix of a CHG before they migrated into Iran anyway. A person with 40% northern European ancestry and 60% non European is never considered a true European by any European. That's your average Scythian. You will never have people considering half Asian/European peoples as true Europeans. Neither were the scythians or proto Iranians

What this guy is doing is changing the entire history by falsifying events.the steppe admixture in Iranians doesn't only come from scythians. It comes from the early migrations and mixing between Iranians and neolithic farmers of Iran. Which is why millions of Iranians have steppe admixtures. If millions of people have steppe admixtures then it's obvious that it happened from the very beginning of Iran's population, long before the scythians came along.

the scythians never managed to defeat and invade the Persian Empire. Infact, the Persians had Scythian warriors amongst their battalions. The scythians only managed to raid the Azerbaijan area of Iran, they never had the opportunity to leave any genetic markers on all Iranians. It is clear where the steppe admixtures in Iranians comes from and it's not the scythians

[Babak]

I don't consider any of those groups you mentioned European. Not by identity nor genetics. They were all mixed to shit long before that. Most of proto Iranians were already a mix of a CHG before they migrated into Iran anyway.

What this guy is doing is changing the entire history by falsifying events.the steppe admixture in Iranians doesn't only come from scythians. It comes from the early migrations and mixing between Iranians and neolithic farmers of Iran. Which is why millions of Iranians have steppe admixtures. If millions of people have steppe admixtures then it's obvious that it happened from the very beginning of Iran's population, long before the scythians came along.

the scythians never managed to defeat and invade the Persian Empire. Infact, the Persians had Scythian warriors amongst their battalions. The scythians only managed to raid the Azerbaijan area of Iran, they never had the opportunity to leave any genetic markers on all Iranians. It is clear where the steppe admixtures in Iranians comes from and it's not the scythians

Actually Iron age Iranians had some NE-Europe before Iranics migrated into Iran. Bronze age Iranics had a bit more. Modern Iranians are closer to Early Iranics than Northern europeans are.

Iron Age Iran, Hasanlu (Naqadeh):



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 48.85
2 SW_Europe 23.02
3 SW_Asia 16.17
4 NE_Europe 10.71
5 South_Asia 1.25

[Zoro]

You sound like that turanist member on here who tried his hardest to claim that Saka were mongoloids. Lmao

I agree with you. Saka language is related to Persian And Kurdish and not Turkish. These show that it is most related to Kurdish, Persian, and Avestan, then Pashto and Ossetian and NOT related to Turkish. The lower the number the more related.

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[Zoro]

I don't consider any of those groups you mentioned European. Not by identity nor genetics. They were all mixed to shit long before that. Most of proto Iranians were already a mix of a CHG before they migrated into Iran anyway. A person with 40% northern European ancestry and 60% non European is never considered a true European by any European. That's your average Scythian. You will never have people considering half Asian/European peoples as true Europeans. Neither were the scythians or proto Iranians

What this guy is doing is changing the entire history by falsifying events.the steppe admixture in Iranians doesn't only come from scythians. It comes from the early migrations and mixing between Iranians and neolithic farmers of Iran. Which is why millions of Iranians have steppe admixtures. If millions of people have steppe admixtures then it's obvious that it happened from the very beginning of Iran's population, long before the scythians came along.

the scythians never managed to defeat and invade the Persian Empire. Infact, the Persians had Scythian warriors amongst their battalions. The scythians only managed to raid the Azerbaijan area of Iran, they never had the opportunity to leave any genetic markers on all Iranians. It is clear where the steppe admixtures in Iranians comes from and it's not the scythians

Exactly, so that's why the Eurogenes guy and some of the Anthrogenica clowns keep pushing Andronovo and Sintashta even though they never on the borders of Iran nor did they even exist in the Iron Age. Their thinking is because Andronovo and Sintashta are more Europeans. He always uses them in his G25 yet I never see them use Alans, Scythians or Sakas to model West and South Asians even though they produce much better fit when combined with Native Zagrosian Iranians than Sintashta and Andronovo produce. Pretty absurd.

The Pathians had incorporated alot of Saka and I believe some of the Parthians were in fact Sakas.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire
http://www.ancientpages.com/2016/11/...horse-archers/
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zor...saka/index.htm

[Fibonacci]

Exactly, so that's why the Eurogenes guy and some of the Anthrogenica clowns keep pushing Andronovo and Sintashta even though they never on the borders of Iran nor did they even exist in the Iron Age. Their thinking is because Andronovo and Sintashta are more Europeans. He always uses them in his G25 yet I never see them use Alans, Scythians or Sakas to model West and South Asians even though they produce much better fit when combined with Native Zagrosian Iranians than Sintashta and Andronovo produce. Pretty absurd.

The Pathians had incorporated alot of Saka and I believe some of the Parthians were in fact Sakas.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire
http://www.ancientpages.com/2016/11/...horse-archers/
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zor...saka/index.htm

Even if andronovo and sintashta wasn't near Iran, it doesn't discredit their Iranic identity. Iran as a country is not the native land of the Iranic identity. It never originated in west Asia but the steppe. All Iranian language can be traced back to andronovo and sintashta. Persian didn't originate in Iran, it entered Iran from the north and evolved. Avesta which Persian itself derives from, is an eastern Iranian language. The same thing happened to kurdish and other western Iranian languages. Andronovo and sintashta marks the origins of Iranian identity.

For example, the similarities between what the scythians wore and the Persians is remarkable. And these 2 communities never intermixed with one another. Based on pictures and artifacts the Greeks and scythians themselves left behind, they wore the same clothing with the same patterns as the Persian soliders.

[MS85]

Andronovo or Sintashta never lived in the Iran area. We'll never see their bones in Iran. There were off course Alans, Sakas and Scythians and other Iron Age groups in the area though.

Also you just can't jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age. There were no pure Andronovans or Sintashtans in the Iron Age. Therefore the steppe admixture in Persians and Kurds and other Iranics and R1a that was introduced in the Iron Age and later must have been by Alans, Sakas, Scythians and other Iron Age groups and also by some more recent migrations from the steppe.

Anyone with half a brain can see what the guy at Eurogenes blog and some idiots at Anthrogenica are preaching is bullshit because there were no pure Andronovans and Sintashtans in the Iron Age and especially in the Iran vicinity in the Iron Age. The steppe groups that were in the area in the Iron Age were Alans, Sakas, Scythians and some others. Therefore they are the ones who are relevant.

The reason that the Eurogenes blogger keep pushing Bronze Age groups and pretends that we can jump from the Bronze Age to the present without going through the Iron Age or the Medieval period is because he wants to make it seem that Europeans dominated our Iranic women and conquered us because Andronovo and Sintashta are a little more European than Sakas, Alans and Scythians and other Iron Age and Medieval steppe groups in our area. Even though I would not consider Andronovo and Sintashta as 100% pure European.

Those clowns were also denying that Yamnaya was founded by West Asians until important studies came out.
Those clowns also claimed first that Hittites were ‘Northern Europeans’ until recent studies killed their dreams.

Those clowns are wrong about EVERYTHING!

[MS85]

The amount of garbage you spew is literally laughable. From now on talk about your own kind rather than involving the entire Iranian community into your mythical beliefs. You're definitely a troll. You sound like that turanist member on here who tried his hardest to claim that Saka were mongoloids. Lmao

You are a comedian. Show me anything that Iranian language can be traced back to Andronovo. Andronovo were illiterate bunch of monkeys that left nothing. They were full of Mongoloid auDNA and it is much more likely that they spoke a some form of a Mongoloid language before they were Iranised by BMAC and became known as Scythians.

You are not very smart person and your knowledge is very low. I knew that Azeri were not that smart. Azeri were the stupidest people in Georgia. But you exceed all my expectation.


Here is the last study about Saka: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3346985

[MS85]

Even if andronovo and sintashta wasn't near Iran, it doesn't discredit their Iranic identity. Iran as a country is not the native land of the Iranic identity. It never originated in west Asia but the steppe. All Iranian language can be traced back to andronovo and sintashta. Persian didn't originate in Iran, it entered Iran from the north and evolved. Avesta which Persian itself derives from, is an eastern Iranian language. The same thing happened to kurdish and other western Iranian languages. Andronovo and sintashta marks the origins of Iranian identity.

For example, the similarities between what the scythians wore and the Persians is remarkable. And these 2 communities never intermixed with one another. Based on pictures and artifacts the Greeks and scythians themselves left behind, they wore the same clothing with the same patterns as the Persian soliders.

Most retard comment I ever read.

Kurdish is a North-western Iranian language that has been evolved in Kurdistan and nowhere else. It is only spoken in Kurdistan. Kurdish has ergativity and ergative construction is native to Kurdistan. Ergativity doesn't exists in the Steppes at all. Not in 1 million years Kurdish as NorthWest Iranian language evolved outside Kurdistan.

Kurds are the original people who speak their own ARYAN mother tongue.

[MS85]

that's why the Eurogenes guy and some of the Anthrogenica clowns keep pushing

The Eurogenes guy is a moron. Modern science destroyed all of his moronic dreams.


no one of them can explain why there is no ERGATIVIY in the Steppes, while Indo-Iranian had ergative construction.