"Proto-Iranians were not Northern Europeans"

[Zoro]

There is zero linguistical or archaelogical evidence for this. Saka probably had a very limited genetic impact outside of the steppes, Most steppe ancestry in West and South Asia predates Saka.

Steppe ancestry to West Asia was brought by people similar to Turkmenistan_IA which were Pamiri-like and around 50% Sintashta and 50% BMAC. So using them as reference Kurds probably have around 30-40% early IA_Iranian ancestry from Central Asia

Nice try again do you even know who the Parthians or Alans were?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire
http://www.iranicaonline.org/article...l-writers-from


Next time post something to back up what you say friend of Eurogenes. what do you call this lingusitic comparison?

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I agree with you. Saka language is related to Persian And Kurdish and not Turkish. These show that it is most related to Kurdish, Persian, and Avestan, then Pashto and Ossetian and NOT related to Turkish. The lower the number the more related.

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Did you even know that Saqqez in Iranian Kurdistan was the political capital of Saka or Sistan province in Eastern Iran is Saqistan or the land of Saka?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqqez

The Kurds and their Iranian ancestors have lived in Saqqez and its surrounding area since about 1000 BC. By the mid-seventh century BC the Scythians reached their zenith in western Asia under Bartatua, and the Saqqez region was their political center.[3] During the pre-Islamic era Saqqez and its surrounding area made up a small country, Sagapeni, believed to be related to the ancient Iranian Sakas (Scythians) from which the city's name derives. Saqqez has two parts: historic and new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan

Sīstān (Persian: سیستان), known in ancient times as Sakastan (Persian: سكستان; "the land of the Saka"), is a historical and geographical region in present-day eastern Iran (Sistan and Baluchestan Province) and southern Afghanistan (Nimruz, Kandahar)

Here is some info on archeology to help you out;
http://landofkarda.blogspot.com/2010/

[MS85]

@Zoro, http://elinguistics.net/Compare_Languages.aspx is an interesting site. Never heard of it before thanks.

Interesting to see that the distance between Persian to Saka is just a little bit closer (44.3 ) than distance between Kurdish to Saka (45.9 or 43.8)

When I'm doing Saka - Kurdish it is 43.8
When I'm doing Kurdish - Saka it is 45.9

WHY?


Distance between Kurdish and Persian is only 35.4, nice!


Again,

Persian - Kurdish = 33.5
but Kurdish - Persian = 35.4

WHY??

[Fibonacci]

Not a fan of genetics anymore tbh, but if the majority is indus valley, doesnt that make them pred. Asian and not nordic? I dont deny that they have substantial northeast european admixture, you have a point there ofc.

Exactly, if token thinks proto Iranians were purely European then I think he should accept half Negros half Europeans into his families bloodline.
Anyone in here who believes that scythians or proto Europeans were purely European then they should also consider mulatto negros as Europeans. They were all mixed, none of them were purely European. Fucking retards

[Zoro]

@Zoro, http://elinguistics.net/Compare_Languages.aspx is an interesting site. Never heard of it before thanks.

Interesting to see that the distance between Persian to Saka is just a little bit closer (44.3 ) than distance between Kurdish to Saka (45.9 or 43.8)

When I'm doing Saka - Kurdish it is 43.8
When I'm doing Kurdish - Saka it is 45.9

WHY?


Distance between Kurdish and Persian is only 35.4, nice!


Again,

Persian - Kurdish = 33.5
but Kurdish - Persian = 35.4

WHY??

Not sure, maybe because they use a different set of words when they compare Persian-Kurdish vs Kurdish-Persian

[Zoro]

Exactly, if token thinks proto Iranians were purely European then I think he should accept half Negros half Europeans into his families bloodline.
Anyone in here who believes that scythians or proto Europeans were purely European then they should also consider mulatto negros as Europeans. They were all mixed, none of them were purely European. Fucking retards

yep. I'm trying to dig up an IBS comparison I had copied from somewhere where they compared different Sarmatians and Saka to Europeans and Iranians. They were halfway in between Iranians and Europeans, but here is the important thing. Much of the closeness to Europeans was because they shared alleles with the 8000 year old EHG, but the closeness of Sarmatians and Saka to Iranians was because of more recent alleles shared. So I guess one can say that Sarmatians and Saka have an older connection to Europeans and a more recent connection to Iranians. I'll see if I can find it. Btw, the mytrueancestry.com ancient analysis is a little retarded too.

[Arhat]

Dude, I'm R1a*. My haplogroup is daddy of all modern R1a, hahaha.

But R1a was not even Indo-European at the first place. R1a in the Western Steppes was Indo-Europeanised by R1b folks from Yamnaya.


But no, like the Hittites and the Mycenaeans ARYANS were J2a folks. The ARYAN Medes were mostly J2a folks, since there is a lot J2a in the ancient Aryan lands of the Medes.

well if this is true you have a basal clade but that does not mean it is ancestral at all. The daddy of all R1a died long ago so dont talk bullshit again. R1a* just means you have a rare clade not that your clade is older.

[Arhat]

Nice try again do you even know who the Parthians or Alans were?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire
http://www.iranicaonline.org/article...l-writers-from


Next time post something to back up what you say friend of Eurogenes. what do you call this lingusitic comparison?

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Did you even know that Saqqez in Iranian Kurdistan was the political capital of Saka or Sistan province in Eastern Iran is Saqistan or the land of Saka?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqqez

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistan


Here is some info on archeology to help you out;
http://landofkarda.blogspot.com/2010/

Kurdish is a northwestern Iranic language and Saka a northeastern Iranic language. Saka in Central Asia died out but Jaghobi a neo-sogdian language survived. Sarmatian is still spoken today in the Caucasus among Ossetians. Kurdish has nothing to do with it and after jaghnobi and Ossetian Pamiri and Pashto are closest to Saka.

[Arhat]

yep. I'm trying to dig up an IBS comparison I had copied from somewhere where they compared different Sarmatians and Saka to Europeans and Iranians. They were halfway in between Iranians and Europeans, but here is the important thing. Much of the closeness to Europeans was because they shared alleles with the 8000 year old EHG, but the closeness of Sarmatians and Saka to Iranians was because of more recent alleles shared. So I guess one can say that Sarmatians and Saka have an older connection to Europeans and a more recent connection to Iranians. I'll see if I can find it. Btw, the mytrueancestry.com ancient analysis is a little retarded too.

well explain me why Pamiri have around 40-50% Sintashta/Bronze Age Euro ancestry and Pashtuns around 30%. And why Jatts and Brahmins also have this kind of ancestry. Brahmins did not mix with foreigner after the Iron Age so where they got this european admixture?

[Token]

Exactly, if token thinks proto Iranians were purely European then I think he should accept half Negros half Europeans into his families bloodline.
Anyone in here who believes that scythians or proto Europeans were purely European then they should also consider mulatto negros as Europeans. They were all mixed, none of them were purely European. Fucking retards

Are you dumb? Sintashta was Proto-Iranian, and they were fully European as i showed in the second page of this same thread. Just stop dude, everything i see coming from your fingers is dumb.

[Arhat]

The purpose of this thread is to shut the mouth of the Iranic WE WUZ'ers who deny that Indo-Iranic was brought by Northern Europeans to South Asia.

[1] "distance%=1.3205"
Pashtun

BMAC,34.8
Indus_Valley_Civilization,34.8
Russian_Steppe_MLBA,26.2
Mongola,4.2

[1] "distance%=1.6721"
Brahmin_West_Bengal

Indus_Valley_Civilization,71.4
Russian_Steppe_MLBA,21.2
Onge,4.2
Mongola,2.6
BMAC,0.6

[1] "distance%=1.4714"
Brahmin_Gujarat

Indus_Valley_Civilization,64.8
Russian_Steppe_MLBA,21
BMAC,13.4
Mongola,0.8

[1] "distance%=1.8399"
Gujarati

Indus_Valley_Civilization,87.2
Russian_Steppe_MLBA,11.8
BMAC,0.6
Mongola,0.4

[1] "distance%=1.6467"
Tajik_Yagnobi

BMAC,50
Russian_Steppe_MLBA,43.4
Mongola,6.6

Now lets me make a experiment, what if we replace Russian_Steppe_MLBA for Scandinavians?

[1] "distance%=1.689"
Brahmin_West_Bengal

Indus_Valley_Civilization,73.8
Norwegian,19.4
Mongola,3
Onge,2.4
BMAC,1.4

Works equally well.
Norwegian-like admixture in Brahmins? This is not possibru...
Cope with that, Iranians.

well Sintashta was 75% North Euro-like and not identical to modern day North Europeans. They were a bit less EEF-shifted. But they would be closest to modern day North Europeans. Their pigmentation was actually much darker. They had mostly brown hair and brown eyes. But a significant minority with lighter hair and blue eyes. So they were in terms of pigmentation closer to balkan people or Central Europeans than to North Europeans. Light phenotypes seem to correlate with GAC-like ancestry and there was also massive selection for it which made modern day North Europeans so light haired and eyed.