Origin and ethnogenesis of Kajkavian Croats

[Vožd]

'Nonsense' against Serbs is nonsense. 'Nonsense' of Serbs against anyone else is truth.

Balkan in nutshell

[Pribislav]

'Nonsense' against Serbs is nonsense. 'Nonsense' of Serbs against anyone else is truth.

Škutor, are you Bulgarian lawyer?

[Jana]

We can call medieval kaykavians proto-Slovenians. They were closer to modern Slovenians than to modern Croatians, without doubt.
Slovenian didn't exist before Ottomans, are you joking? They fell from they sky in 19th century or what?

Some Bulgarians claim many nonsenses towards the Serbs. They are frustrated because San Stefano Bulgaria or Greater Bulgaria (Russian imperial project) was close to realisation in 1878 but did not happen.

Their ancestors existed but didnt have sense of nation yet.
NW Croats cant be slovenians because they lived separated from them for 1000 years and under different political rule.

Slovenian consciousness was formed as being Slavs living surrounded by Germans and under their domination. Kajkavian Croats lived in different circumstances and they couldnt develop same identity.

There was more chance for them to become Hungarians than Slovenians. But being Slavic and under Croatian jurisdiction made them Croats. Simple as that and not different than many other Slavic tribes living under Serb jurisdiction and becoming Serbs.

[Jana]

Jana ..Slovenes did not existed in same way as nowadays , but they were part of an continuum before Franks germans ,mađari broken it

Yes but not under name Slovenians. They were Caranthanians for a start.

[Insuperable]

Škutor, are you Bulgarian lawyer?

Srbenda are you perhaps a low iq monkey because over the years you keep showing that your miniature brain suffers from a complete lack of self-criticism?

[Pribislav]

Their ancestors existed but didnt have sense of nation yet.
NW Croats cant be slovenians because they lived separated from them for 1000 years and under different political rule.

Slovenian consciousness was formed as being Slavs living aurrounded by Germans and under their domination. Kajkavian Croats lived in different circumstances and they couldnt develop same identity.

There was more chance for them to become Hungarians than Slovenians. But being Slavic and under Croatian jurisdiction made them Croats. Simple as that and not different than many other Slavic tribes living under Serb jurisdiction and becoming Serbs.

Slovenians and Kaykavian Croatian lived in same empire for many centuries, in Habsburg empire. NW Croatia was part of Hungary from 1526 century to the 1918, and most of Slovenia was under the Austria except Prekomurje which was Hungarian part of empire. Before 1867 Hungary in Habsburg monarchy was more or less fictitious, Germans were older "brother" to Hungarians and Habsburg imperator was Hungarian king. Germans were superior towards the Hungarians, and Hungarians even more towards the Croatians.

[Pribislav]

Srbenda are you perhaps a low iq monkey because over the years you keep showing that your miniature brain suffers from a complete lack of self-criticism?

Calm down poskok!
This is not thread about croatized Catholic Serbs from Herzegovina, but about croatized Slovenians from NW Croatia.

[Jana]

Slovenians and Kaykavian Croatian lived in same empire for many centuries, in Habsburg empire. NW Croatia was part of Hungary from 1526 century to the 1918, and most of Slovenia was under the Austria except Prekomurje which was Hungarian part of empire. Before 1867 Hungary in Habsburg monarchy was more or less fictitious, Germans were older "brother" to Hungarians and Habsburg imperator was Hungarian king. Germans were superior towards the Hungarians, and Hungarians even more towards the Croatians.

Wrong. Border between inner Austria and Lands of Crown of St. Stephen was clearly defined. They had different laws, rulers, universities, militarry units etc.

Croatian feudal Parliament was based in Zagreb since 12th century as I already mentioned, and mostly filled with Croatian nobility.

In Austria Hungary many Slovenians went to study in Zagreb until Ljubljana was given slavic/slovenian language University etc.

[Jana]

Calm down poskok!
This is not thread about croatized Catholic Serbs from Herzegovina, but about croatized Slovenians from NW Croatia.

Dinaric Serbs are orthodox Croats and Albanians, while Morava-Vardar Serbs are Bulgarians under SPC (Serbian Orthodox Church). Ok ?!

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[Insuperable]

Calm down poskok!
This is not thread about croatized Catholic Serbs from Herzegovina, but about croatized Slovenians from NW Croatia.

It doesn't matter. You see I wouldn't mind at all if we are croatized Serbs let alone if NW Croats are croatized. Though you and those like you go on my nerves. 24/7 living in basement, watching and reading overly nationalistic media, no non-Serbs related posts on the TA, filling history holes with your own ideas and presenting them as mainstream etc. The first and necessary condition for good relations is respect.