why mtfull sequence results dosent match family finder results

**mashail** · 06-30-2019, 10:50 PM

why my mtdna full sequence results has nothing to do with my family finder results!!!!
and why in both tests it dosent show my dad ancestry???????.

so in my mtdna full sequence I got more than 20 European relatives and my ancestral origins is mostly european I got 7 germans and 4 Swedish, 1frence, 1 Italy, 1 Netherlands,1 Irish ,1 Cyprus , 1 Israel ,2 Lebanon, 2 Saudi.
my matches I got (EXACT matches) all r europeans from Sweden and Germany and 1 Italian .

in other hand I did my family finder test and I just got the results 2 days ago and these results has nothinnnng to do with my mtfull sequence!!!!!
my ancient origins were 73% ancient farmers and 23% metal age invaders (Yamnaya) plus 4% non European.
my origins (ethnic makeup):
- 87% middle eastern:
73% east Middle East(Iran, Iraq,GCC)
10% west Middle East (levant, Israel)
4% Moroccan,algerian,tunisian I guess berber.
I got also 9% sephardic jewish from Spain and 4% from the balkan.

my ethnicity (dad is Kurdish Iraqi, mother is Northern Iraqi ARAB)

**mashail** · 06-30-2019, 10:56 PM

please I need an expert to answer.

**mashail** · 06-30-2019, 11:04 PM

a lot of views with no answers SMH

**Leto** · 07-01-2019, 12:00 AM

Well, haplogroups have little to do with autosomal DNA. As for your results, there is no way you're half Kurdish, your results are extremely Arabic, straight up Usama's daughter

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 51.42
2 Caucaus_Parsia 21.81
3 South_and_West_European 16.06
4 Sub_Saharian 7.7
5 East_Asian 1.37
6 Melanesian 0.85
7 Indian 0.47
8 North_Asian 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Palestinian 7.21
2 Jordanian 10.14
3 Samaritian 10.17
4 Egyptian 10.85
5 Yemen 14.67
6 Syrian 16.49
7 Bedouin 16.71
8 Lebanese 18.96
9 Druze 19.48
10 Iraqi 20.16
11 Saudi 20.41
12 Jew_Yemen 20.88
13 Jew_Georgia 21.4
14 Jew-Iraqi 21.44
15 Jew_Libya 21.67
16 Jew_Iraqi 21.75
17 Jew-Iran 22.01
18 Jew_Syria 22.81
19 Jew_Tunisia 23.56
20 Jew_Kurd 23.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Jordanian + 32.4% Jew_Yemen @ 1.93
2 53.2% Bedouin + 46.8% Lebanese @ 2.21
3 50.3% Syrian + 49.7% Bedouin @ 2.25
4 70.9% Palestinian + 29.1% Bedouin @ 2.42
5 67.4% Jordanian + 32.6% Saudi @ 2.56
6 67% Bedouin + 33% Armenian @ 2.58
7 71.5% Bedouin + 28.5% Georgian_Laz @ 2.64
8 53.9% Bedouin + 46.1% Druze @ 2.64
9 81.1% Samaritian + 18.9% Ethiopian @ 2.65
10 80.6% Samaritian + 19.4% Jew-Ethiopia @ 2.72
11 59.6% Samaritian + 40.4% Yemen @ 2.87
12 80.4% Samaritian + 19.6% Jew_Ethiopia @ 2.89
13 75.4% Palestinian + 24.6% Saudi @ 2.94
14 56.3% Bedouin + 43.7% Jew_Georgia @ 3.15
15 66.8% Bedouin + 33.2% Turk @ 3.18
16 63.2% Jordanian + 36.8% Bedouin @ 3.58
17 61.4% Bedouin + 38.6% Jew_Azerbaijan @ 3.65
18 74.2% Bedouin + 25.8% Georgian_Imereti @ 3.74
19 75.7% Bedouin + 24.3% Abhkasian @ 3.74
20 51.8% Samaritian + 48.2% Egyptian @ 3.77

**Zoro** · 07-01-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by mashail

why my mtdna full sequence results has nothing to do with my family finder results!!!!
and why in both tests it dosent show my dad ancestry???????.

so in my mtdna full sequence I got more than 20 European relatives and my ancestral origins is mostly european I got 7 germans and 4 Swedish, 1frence, 1 Italy, 1 Netherlands,1 Irish ,1 Cyprus , 1 Israel ,2 Lebanon, 2 Saudi.
my matches I got (EXACT matches) all r europeans from Sweden and Germany and 1 Italian .

in other hand I did my family finder test and I just got the results 2 days ago and these results has nothinnnng to do with my mtfull sequence!!!!!
my ancient origins were 73% ancient farmers and 23% metal age invaders (Yamnaya) plus 4% non European.
my origins (ethnic makeup):
- 87% middle eastern:
73% east Middle East(Iran, Iraq,GCC)
10% west Middle East (levant, Israel)
4% Moroccan,algerian,tunisian I guess berber.
I got also 9% sephardic jewish from Spain and 4% from the balkan.

my ethnicity (dad is Kurdish Iraqi, mother is Northern Iraqi ARAB)

The problem is you are missing some of the typical Kurdish signs which are Central Asian and Steppe. Your results show 0% Central Asia in MyOrigins and your Steppe in Metal Age Invadors is low for being 1/2 Kurdish.

Kurds were very heavily "Aryanized" in several waves starting about 3000 years ago by Medes, Parthians, Scythians/Saka/Alans/Sarmatians etc. That is why we have are like an island of R1a, W, Q, R1b and other Central Asian and Steppe haplogroups among our neighbors. Even after over a 1000 years of our steppe haplogroups being diluted by our neighbors we still stick out among them. Just look at this R1a, W, and Q distribution maps.

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You can imagine how high our steppe haplogroups must have been when our ancestors just migrated from Central Asia before our neighbors diluted us over the past 2000 years.

Back to your results, I haven't taken the FTDNA test but someone from my area in Kurdistan posted his results and you can see that he has 21% Central Asian and 42% Steppe (Metal Age Invaders). There are other Kurdish users here too such as MS85, PAHLI, and a couple of others. I am sure their Central Asian and Steppe numbers are close to the Iraqi Kurd user. So with you being 1/2 Kurdish I would have expected you to have maybe 10% Central Asian and maybe 30% Steppe.

I'm not sure how much your Iraqi Arab mom would have scored since I haven't seen any from them but I think that Iraqi Arabs are Iranian/Kurd shifted compared to other Arabs.

Also as Leto mentions your Gedmatch and oracles are unexpeced for someone 1/2 Kurdish. Is your dad full Kurd?

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**Leto** · 07-01-2019, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Also as Leto mentions your Gedmatch and oracles are unexpeced for someone 1/2 Kurdish. Is your dad full Kurd?

Her Eurogenes and Dodecad

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.24
2 Red_Sea 33.27
3 West_Asian 10.03
4 Northeast_African 8.95
5 West_Med 6.08
6 South_Asian 1.22
7 Siberian 0.81
8 North_Atlantic 0.2
9 East_Asian 0.18
10 Baltic 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Saudi 6.17
2 Yemenite_Jewish 13.01
3 Bedouin 13.47
4 Egyptian 16.78
5 Palestinian 18.84
6 Jordanian 19.79
7 Syrian 23.2
8 Samaritan 23.54
9 Lebanese_Christian 25.77
10 Libyan_Jewish 26.29
11 Lebanese_Muslim 26.36
12 Tunisian_Jewish 27.08
13 Lebanese_Druze 27.89
14 Tunisian 29.15
15 Kurdish_Jewish 29.52
16 Algerian 29.71
17 Iranian_Jewish 29.76
18 Moroccan 30.13
19 Cyprian 30.17
20 Sephardic_Jewish 30.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% Saudi + 9.3% Somali @ 1.64
2 93.2% Saudi + 6.8% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.73
3 91.1% Saudi + 8.9% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.76
4 90.5% Saudi + 9.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.84
5 88.1% Saudi + 11.9% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.85
6 88.5% Saudi + 11.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.88
7 94.1% Saudi + 5.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2.78
8 94% Saudi + 6% Hadza @ 3.29
9 93.2% Saudi + 6.8% Maasai @ 3.4
10 94.5% Saudi + 5.5% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 3.63
11 94.7% Saudi + 5.3% Sudanese @ 3.92
12 93.9% Saudi + 6.1% Sandawe @ 4.05
13 96.1% Saudi + 3.9% San @ 5.06
14 82.7% Saudi + 17.3% Egyptian @ 5.19
15 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Moroccan @ 5.29
16 96.9% Saudi + 3.1% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.41
17 91.3% Saudi + 8.7% Algerian @ 5.51
18 91.9% Saudi + 8.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.52
19 92% Saudi + 8% Tunisian @ 5.65
20 97.5% Saudi + 2.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.67

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 43.58
2 Caucasus 28.59
3 East_African 8.85
4 Northwest_African 6.4
5 Gedrosia 5.35
6 Atlantic_Med 5.08
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Siberian 0.51
9 North_European 0.43
10 East_Asian 0.19
11 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin (HGDP) 6.09
2 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 13.06
3 Yemenese (Behar) 13.18
4 Egyptans (Behar) 16.13
5 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.79
6 Jordanians (Behar) 18.96
7 Syrians (Behar) 20.92
8 Samaritians (Behar) 23.63
9 Lebanese (Behar) 24.79
10 Saudis (Behar) 25.5
11 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 29.04
12 Druze (HGDP) 29.31
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 31.61
14 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 33.2
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 34.32
16 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 35.07
17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 35.29
18 Cypriots (Behar) 35.59
19 Assyrian (Dodecad) 35.61
20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 36.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Bedouin (HGDP) + 7.5% Ethiopians (Behar) @ 4.01
2 92.8% Bedouin (HGDP) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.01
3 94.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 5.6% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.17
4 62% Egyptans (Behar) + 38% Saudis (Behar) @ 5.11
5 96.8% Bedouin (HGDP) + 3.2% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 5.46
6 97.2% Bedouin (HGDP) + 2.8% Sandawe_He (Henn) @ 5.54
7 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 5.87
8 91.6% Bedouin (HGDP) + 8.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.93
9 56.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 43.7% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.94
10 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 5.94
11 98.5% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.5% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 5.94
12 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Kol (Metspalu) @ 5.95
13 98.5% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.5% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 5.95
14 98.3% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.7% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 5.95
15 98.3% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.7% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 5.95
16 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 5.95
17 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 5.95
18 98.5% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 5.95
19 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 5.95
20 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 5.95

An Iraqi Kurd GM result for comparison
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ghlight=Gagauz

**Zoro** · 07-01-2019, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Her Eurogenes and Dodecad

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southwest_Asian 43.58
2 Caucasus 28.59
3 East_African 8.85
4 Northwest_African 6.4
5 Gedrosia 5.35
6 Atlantic_Med 5.08
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Siberian 0.51
9 North_European 0.43
10 East_Asian 0.19
11 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin (HGDP) 6.09
2 Yemen_Jews (Behar) 13.06
3 Yemenese (Behar) 13.18
4 Egyptans (Behar) 16.13
5 Palestinian (HGDP) 16.79
6 Jordanians (Behar) 18.96
7 Syrians (Behar) 20.92
8 Samaritians (Behar) 23.63
9 Lebanese (Behar) 24.79
10 Saudis (Behar) 25.5
11 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 29.04
12 Druze (HGDP) 29.31
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 31.61
14 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 33.2
15 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 34.32
16 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 35.07
17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 35.29
18 Cypriots (Behar) 35.59
19 Assyrian (Dodecad) 35.61
20 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 36.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Bedouin (HGDP) + 7.5% Ethiopians (Behar) @ 4.01
2 92.8% Bedouin (HGDP) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.01
3 94.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 5.6% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.17
4 62% Egyptans (Behar) + 38% Saudis (Behar) @ 5.11
5 96.8% Bedouin (HGDP) + 3.2% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 5.46
6 97.2% Bedouin (HGDP) + 2.8% Sandawe_He (Henn) @ 5.54
7 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 5.87
8 91.6% Bedouin (HGDP) + 8.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.93
9 56.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) + 43.7% Egyptans (Behar) @ 5.94
10 98.4% Bedouin (HGDP) + 1.6% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 5.94

An Iraqi Kurd GM result for comparison
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ghlight=Gagauz

yes very unexpected for someone 1/2 Kurdish. I would expect to see Gedrosian of about 15 for 1/2 Kurdish and 1/2 Iraqi Arab. Also the components you highlight are off.

BTW, the Kurd you linked is not Iraqi Kurd, he is a northern Kurd from Turkey

He scores quite a bit less Gedrosian than myself, MS85, and some of the other Kurds here, but still much higher than Mashail

**Leto** · 07-01-2019, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

yes very unexpected for someone 1/2 Kurdish. I would expect to see Gedrosian of about 15 for 1/2 Kurdish and 1/2 Iraqi Arab. Also the components you highlight are off.

BTW, the Kurd you linked is not Iraqi Kurd, he is a northern Kurd from Turkey

He scores quite a bit less Gedrosian than myself, MS85, and some of the other Kurds here, but still much higher than Mashail

The OP says Iraqi.

Can you post your K13, Dodecad K12b and Harappa? In particular I'm interested in the South Asian, Gedrosia and Baloch components.

**Zoro** · 07-01-2019, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

The OP says Iraqi.

Can you post your K13, Dodecad K12b and Harappa? In particular I'm interested in the South Asian, Gedrosia and Baloch components.

Sorry i was referring to hadoken, the OP looks Iraqi. I’ll post some of mine later but FYI the Baloch comp in Harrapa is not purely Baloch because if you look at their spreadsheet you’ll notice that Indians score almost as much as below which Baloch only score 52% so it’s a hybrid component it’s partly Baloch and partly south Indian

If you want an actual more pure Baloch component then the Gedrosia K 12 is the calculator because if you look at their spreadsheet you’ll notice that the Baloch and Brahui score about 80% or more and Indians score much less so you know this one is more pure Baloch component

**Leto** · 07-01-2019, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Sorry i was referring to hadoken, the OP looks Iraqi. I’ll post some of mine later but FYI the Baloch comp in Harrapa is not purely Baloch because if you look at their spreadsheet you’ll notice that Indians score almost as much as below which Baloch only score 52% so it’s a hybrid component it’s partly Baloch and partly south Indian

If you want an actual more pure Baloch component then the Gedrosia K 12 is the calculator because if you look at their spreadsheet you’ll notice that the Baloch and Brahui score about 80% or more and Indians score much less so you know this one is more pure Baloch component

The Baloch in HarappaWorld is essentially the same as the Gedrosia in Dodecad. Both vaguely represent some Iranian Neolithic component, therefore they're West Eurasian. White people like Britons and Irishmen get as much as 10% Baloch/Gedrosia on those calculators.
I didn't ask you to interpret the results or make any conclusions, I merely asked you to post your results, I'm interested to see an Iraqi Kurdish result.