Iron Age Croatia ?

[Jana]

I see Early Iron Age sample from Croatia added to nMonte runner. That's very exciting and I didn't know we had anything beyond middle bronze age.
Anyone know where is it from, what is it genetically like ?

1200 BC
mtDNA: HV0e

I tried modeling myself with Avar Szolad and that, but fit is rather bad (close to 4). Suprisingly Dalmatian MBA sample works lot better with me (excellent fit below 3),
shouldn't later samples provide better fit ?

If you know anything about this sample help to shed some light.

[Jana]

It looks like Southern Euro sample (not suprised), but I am not sure what kind of southern Euro.
I tried to compare it to modern Albanians (closest to Illyrian descendants today) and modern Austrians (where proto-Illyrians suposedly originate from, Hallstat culture), it's closer to Albanians.

But not very close, bad fit to both, Albos being closer (above 4, Austrian above 6)

Now I compared it to Bergamo (standard North Italian) and it's closest to that, below 3 which is excellent fit.


"sample": "Italian_Bergamo:Average",
"fit": 2.684,
"HRV_Early_IA": 100,
"closestDistances": [
"HRV_Early_IA:I3313: 2.684022"

[Jana]

This is for sure Illyrian sample. And shows continuity with Bronze Age ones, just for unknown reason it doesn't work well with me.
I guess this destroy theory of some loonies in Iron Age western balkanites suddenly became Russian like, haha!

Nope. Illyrians were cloest to North Italians and Iberians, West Med like people.

[Kaspias]

Indeed, may be a legit Illyrian sample.

[Jana]

Indeed, may be a legit Illyrian sample.

Thanks, what does this table means ?

[Dick]

This is for sure Illyrian sample. And shows continuity with Bronze Age ones, just for unknown reason it doesn't work well with me.
I guess this destroy theory of some loonies in Iron Age western balkanites suddenly became Russian like, haha!

Nope. Illyrians were cloest to North Italians and Iberians, West Med like people.

So what about the Albanians?

[Kaspias]

Thanks, what does this table means ?

Single population sharing of the sample. Closest to the Bergamo

[Jana]

So what about the Albanians?

They cluster east compared to SW Euros, additional Slavic + Greek or Thracian admixture. Iron Age Bulgaria (Thracian) was genetically SE European.
So I would say Albanians are Illyrians altered by Greco-Thracian and Slavic blood.

[Ayetooey]

Pretty sure Nato posted this sample months ago.

[Dick]

They cluster east compared to SW Euros, additional Slavic + Greek or Thracian admixture. Iron Age Bulgaria (Thracian) was genetically SE European.
So I would say Albanians are Illyrians altered by Greco-Thracian and Slavic blood.

So Illyrians were west med people. What about trying out south Germans. They come out as half iron age Nordic half Roman