Iranian GEDmatch kits

[MS85]

are there actual scholars or historians who call the Gutians, Kassites Aryan or Iranian? have I missed something? Stop talking out of your ass.

Yeah, according to the Armenian Plateau hypothesis of Ivanov Gutians were Indo-European people. Just use google scholar.

At least Gutians could write and used Sumero-Akkadian writing. While retard Sintashta folks came even later and left nothing in written form. I don't even understand why people connect Denisovan folks to Indo-Europeans at the first place. Just show me with academic sources what language they spoke

[Zoro]

From wikipaedia

Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən/)[1] has as its root a term that was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people.[note 1] The term was used by the Indo-Aryan people of the Vedic period in India as an ethnic label for themselves and later refer to the noble class as well as the geographic region known as Āryāvarta, where Indo-Aryan culture is based (in this region).[2][3] The Iranian people used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country name Iran. It was believed in the 19th century that Aryan was also a self-designation used by all Proto-Indo-Europeans, a theory that has now been abandoned.[8] Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial

Drawing on misinterpreted references in the Rig Veda by Western scholars in the 19th century, the term "Aryan" was adopted as a racial category through the works of Arthur de Gobineau, whose ideology of race was based on an idea of blonde northern European "Aryans" who had migrated across the world and founded all major civilizations, before being diluted through racial mixing with local populations. Through the works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Gobineau's ideas later influenced the Nazi racial ideology which saw "Aryan peoples" as innately superior to other putative racial groups.[12]

Sintashta themselves didn’t march into Iran, Afghanistan or India. Their Saka, Alan, Parthian descendants did but those descendants were not pure Sintashta. Those descendants had picked up all sorts of admixture from central Asia and surrounding places and they were by no means Europeans.

Sintashta itself also had some sort of west Asian farmer ancestry. So when you consider all these things the folks that brought Indo-Iranian languages from the steppe were NOT Europeans

[MS85]

If you doubt what I'm saying just google 'Umman Manda' + Guti, Gutians, Gutium or Gudea and you will find many hits.

Umman Manda were Aryan people of Northern Mesopotamia since the third millennium BC.

The Aryan Mitanni/Matiene, Kassites, Medes, Gutians were all called 'Umman Manda' by the Semites.




https://www.academia.edu/5654237/The..._Hittite_Texts

[Kyp]

From wikipaedia




Sintashta themselves didn’t march into Iran, Afghanistan or India. Their Saka, Alan, Parthian descendants did but those descendants were not pure Sintashta. Those descendants had picked up all sorts of admixture from central Asia and surrounding places and they were by no means Europeans.

Sintashta itself also had some sort of west Asian farmer ancestry. So when you consider all these things the folks that brought Indo-Iranian languages from the steppe were NOT Europeans

I think no one here is arguing that.

[MS85]

The Medes, Mitanni (Matiene) and Kassites were all Gutians, the same people.



http://www.camrea.org/2016/10/11/kin...s-and-history/

[Slavic Italian]

This one seems to be closest to the reference

Kit M470761

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 37.57
2 East_Med 28.82
3 South_Asian 13.92
4 Red_Sea 6.06
5 Baltic 4.76
6 West_Med 4.4
7 North_Atlantic 1.68
8 Northeast_African 1.29
9 Amerindian 0.6
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43
11 Siberian 0.42
12 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian 3.98
2 Kurdish 6.45
3 Azeri 8.49
4 Georgian_Jewish 13.53
5 Armenian 13.83
6 Turkish 14.11
7 Assyrian 15.42
8 Iranian_Jewish 16.25
9 Kumyk 16.67
10 Turkmen 16.77
11 Kurdish_Jewish 17.5
12 Georgian 18.67
13 Adygei 19.01
14 Abhkasian 19.82
15 Balkar 20.89
16 Ossetian 21.12
17 Lebanese_Muslim 21.39
18 Kabardin 21.52
19 North_Ossetian 21.58
20 Lezgin 21.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.6% Iranian + 5.4% Kanjar @ 2.36
2 94.7% Iranian + 5.3% Velamas @ 2.38
3 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kol @ 2.38
4 94.5% Iranian + 5.5% Dharkar @ 2.38
5 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Piramalai @ 2.39
6 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Kshatriya @ 2.39
7 95% Iranian + 5% North_Kannadi @ 2.4
8 95% Iranian + 5% Dusadh @ 2.42
9 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Chamar @ 2.42
10 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Kurumba @ 2.42
11 93.8% Iranian + 6.2% Gujarati @ 2.42
12 94.9% Iranian + 5.1% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.43
13 95.4% Iranian + 4.6% Sakilli @ 2.44
14 93.7% Iranian + 6.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.46
15 95.1% Iranian + 4.9% Chenchu @ 2.48
16 92.1% Iranian + 7.9% Sindhi @ 2.56
17 94.3% Iranian + 5.7% Bangladeshi @ 2.57
18 91.3% Iranian + 8.7% Pathan @ 2.62
19 92.5% Iranian + 7.5% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.64
20 96.1% Iranian + 3.9% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.84

A good match for me.

Largest segment = 4.8 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 204.2 cM (5.694 Pct)

175 shared segments found for this comparison.

861239 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.465 Pct SNPs are full identical

[MS85]

The Cyrus Cylinder from 539 BCE



On this cylinder it is also written:

"He made the land of Gutium and all the Umman-manda bow in submission at his feet. And he{I.e., Cyrus.}} shepherded with justice and righteousness all the black-headed people,"

https://www.livius.org/sources/conte...r-translation/


Here we have a fact that Cyrus related/connected Gutium/Gutians with the Aryan Umman-manda. According to Cyrus 'Umman-manda' folks (Aryans) were the black-headed people.

[MS85]

The Aryan Medes, Aryan Gutians and all other Aryan Umman-manda folks were the black-headed people. The Aryan Medes were also dark. It means for the West Iranic Kurds, that the darkest Kurds are actually closest in looks to the ancient Aryans of Kurdistan.

[MS85]

And who were the ancient Gutian Umman-manda? I'm lazy, so I'm going to use wiki:

" The homeland of Umman Manda seems to be somewhere from Central Anatolia to north or northeastern Babylonia in what later came to be known as Mitanni, Mannae and Media, respectively. Zaluti, whose name seems to have an Indo-Iranian etymology, is mentioned as a leader of Ummanda Manda. He is even suggested to be identified with Salitis the founder of the Hyksos, the Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt.

In the first millennium BC, the term denoted Cimmerians and/or Medes. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umman_Manda

[Zoro]

I think no one here is arguing that.

So why is the idiot Davidski and a few other idiots we know about playing mind games by pushing their European dominance agenda and brainwashing everyone including folks here to use Sintashta to model west Asians or south Asians in G25, and doing everything they can to coerce people into not using the actual steppe proxies from the Iron Age that brought Indo-Iranian languages into Iran, Afghanistan, and India such as Saka, Alans, and Sarmatians in his G25.

Sadly the subtle mental coersion and brainwashing seems to have worked because people here and other places will use unlikely proxies such as Sintashta and Han or Dai of all things but avoid using Saka, Sarmatians and Alans in G25.