Iranian GEDmatch kits

[MS85]

Tajiks dont cluster with Persians from Iran on any PCA plots, nor do they score the same on any autosomal results. What part of dont cluster dont you fucking understand?

Tajiks are mixed with other people in Central Asian. But their Farsi language is from Iran. What part don't you understand?

[Babak]

Tajiks are mixed with other people in Central Asian. But their Farsi language is from Iran. What part don't you understand?

Just because they speak the same language, it doesn't mean they are the same people. They are not geentically the same and are pretty different from Iranians as a whole. Tajiks assimilated themselves when they established the Samanid empire and made Persian as the official language.

[MS85]

Persians have as much mongoloid dna as Kurds. The only Iranic group that possesses the most mongoloid dna are Tajiks

Anyway, Persians and Kurds score nearly the same on all genetic results and cluster together on most PCA plots.

Well, I don't know about the Persians, haven't seen 'pure' Persian DNA yet, but an average Iranian (Persian, Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh), Azeri & Turkmen have more Mongoloid auDNA than Kurds. I have compared my DNA with Azeri folks here and all of them score more Eastern Eurasian. And I'm sure many Persians are mixed with people like Azeri etc.


Persians and Kurds don't cluster together, but very, very close to each other. We are not the 'same' people. Persians are Southwest Iranian and Kurds are Northwest Iranian. Nevertheless Persians are the closest people to the Kurds.

[Zoro]

Tajiks DONT CLUSTER with Persians from Iran on any PCA plots, nor do they score the same on any autosomal results. What part of dont cluster dont you fucking understand?

Tajiks are pretty varied. I would like to see some Herati Tajik kits since they are so close to the Iranian border and Khorasan where about 2 million kurds live. Haven’t seen any kits yet though or for that matter for Khorasani kurds or Persians. I noticed there were some Kurds on FB even in Birjand with a search for “kord birjand”

[Babak]

Tajiks are pretty varied. I would like to see some Herati Tajik kits since they are so close to the Iranian border and Khorasan where about 2 million kurds live. Haven’t seen any kits yet though or for that matter for Khorasani kurds or Persians

Heratis will be closer to Khorasanis and eastern Iranians in general, but Tajiks from Tajikistan are not.

[MS85]

Just because they speak the same language, it doesn't mean they are the same people. They are not geentically the same and are pretty different from Iranians as a whole. Tajiks assimilated themselves when they established the Samanid empire and made Persian as the official language.

You don't understand the concept of being mixed and the 'deep roots' or origin.

Tajiks don't cluster because they are mixed with Pashtuns, Uzbeks/Kyrgyzs, Tatars, Russians and GOD knows who else. That's why they cluster in Central Asia. But the deep roots and the origin of Tajiks/Tajik language is in Persia.


History. Early New Persian (pārsi-e dari), a continuation of spoken Middle Persian, spread to Central Asia during the 8th century CE as the language of Iranian converts to Islam who were attached to the invading Arab armies. The Samanid rulers of Bukhara (9th-10th centuries) patronized it as the literary language, in which form it soon spread throughout Iran. In the region of Samarqand it displaced Sogdian, the indigenous Iranian language, whose descendant (Yaghnobi) still survives in the mountains of western Tajikistan. As a written language, Persian of Central Asia was hardly distinguishable from Classical Persian of Iran, Afghanistan, and India up until the early 20th century. From Timurid times (15th century), Indo-Persian was modeled on the writing of Central Asia; this influence can still be seen in some vocabulary common to Tajik and Indo-Persian/Urdu, which is not usual in Persian of Iran. Invasions and settlement of Turkic peoples in the Oxus basin and its foothills during the past one thousand years (most recently, the Uzbeks) interrupted the dialect continuum. Spoken Persian of Central Asia evolved independently of Persian of Iran, and northern dialects in particular were strongly influenced by Turkic speech. Persian speakers of the region came to be called Tajiks, in contradistinction to Turks, but their language was still called fārsi ‘Persian’ until the Soviet period.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/article...tajiki-persian

[Babak]

Well, I don't know about the Persians, haven't seen 'pure' Persian DNA yet, but an average Iranian (Persian, Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh), Azeri & Turkmen have more Mongoloid auDNA than Kurds. I have compared my DNA with Azeri folks here and all of them score more Eastern Eurasian. And I'm sure many Persians are mixed with people like Azeri etc.


Persians and Kurds don't cluster together, but very, very close to each other. We are not the 'same' people. Persians are Southwest Iranian and Kurds are Northwest Iranian. Nevertheless Persians are the closest people to the Kurds.

Lol bro, you keep on trying to to isolate Kurds as if they are some untouched ethnic group, when in reality, on all autosomal results and pca plots, they don't score much different from any Iranic group. They aren't anything special.

[MS85]

They aren't anything special.

We are very special because we are the 'purest' West Iranic ethnic group.

Once again, don't know much about the 'Persian' DNA, but even the Caspian Iranians (Gilakis, Mazandaranis, Tats, Talysh) are influenced by Turkic people.


You made me now very curious about the pure 'Persian' DNA.

[Thambi]

West Asian runs on G25. Persians get more mongoloid than kurds actually. Iranian persian average gets 3% mongola. West asians in general have virtually no AASI, except for bandaris at 7.5%. so there's no direct gene flow from south asians at any point to majority of iran. I think most of the south asian that shows up in iranians is from the iran neolithic/BMAC.. Uzbeks surprisingly have the most AASI in the west/central asian region, outside the pashtuns/balochis obviously.

Mongoloid is highest among Tajiks as you guys mentioned at around 8%. Turks can reach around 15% mongoloid on average in Aydin.

[MS85]

Sounds reasonable. We probably got most of our EHG, E Eurasian, and R1a from the east

EHG was already present with high degree in the Copper Age Armenians. Some R1a, like mine R1a*, is native to Kurdistan. But I'm sure that Scythians brought a lot of their own specific R1a into Kurdistan, or Parthians who assimilated many Saka.