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    Quote Originally Posted by lameduck View Post
    Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.
    You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lameduck View Post
    Tajiks are basically Pashtun-Mongoloid hybrids, Tajiks have good deal of diversity and google images whitewash tajiks by showing lightest pamiris , most Tajiks I have seen in Europe look like mexicans.
    That's true, in Russia Tajiks (a few million guest workers) are probably the darkest group I've seen (blacks and South Asians are still uncommon in most places). They also show Mongoloid influence which is no surprise (many Uzbeks were recorded as Tajiks in Soviet times and switched to Persian).
    However occasionally light Aryan types do occur. Like this one (I found him once on social media)
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MS85 View Post
    Iran, Iranians or Persians have much more 'Mongoloid' DNA than Kurds/Kurdistan. Turco-Persian history has been recorded.

    But I do agree with the rest that Kurds don't have much of E.Eurasian auDNA. Most in Kurds is from the Scythians..
    No way. Turkish Kurds are surely more 'mongoloid' than Persians somewhere in Fars.
    Hadouken/Magnetic is a Zaza Kurd from Dersim, Turkey. Are the Zaza people Kurdish to you?

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 36.06
    2 East_Med 30.76
    3 West_Med 8.27
    4 South_Asian 6.84
    5 Red_Sea 6.06
    6 North_Atlantic 4.67
    7 Baltic 2.74
    8 Sub-Saharan 1.29
    9 Siberian 1.29
    10 East_Asian 1.21

    11 Amerindian 0.82

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Azeri 4.05
    2 Kurdish 4.87
    3 Iranian 6.25
    4 Armenian 7.54
    5 Turkish 7.58
    6 Georgian_Jewish 7.94
    7 Assyrian 9.88
    8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
    9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
    10 Kumyk 15.67
    11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.98
    12 Turkmen 17.02
    13 Georgian 17.02
    14 Syrian 17.03
    15 Adygei 18.28
    16 Abhkasian 18.51
    17 Balkar 19.44
    18 Ossetian 19.85
    19 Cyprian 20.27
    20 Kabardin 20.71

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 86.2% Kurdish + 13.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.94
    2 85.3% Kurdish + 14.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.02
    3 85.6% Kurdish + 14.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.09
    4 86.4% Kurdish + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.13
    5 67.9% Azeri + 32.1% Armenian @ 2.19
    6 86% Kurdish + 14% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.22
    7 89.8% Kurdish + 10.2% Tunisian @ 2.26
    8 82.4% Kurdish + 17.6% Cyprian @ 2.3
    9 90.2% Kurdish + 9.8% Algerian @ 2.4
    10 85.7% Kurdish + 14.3% South_Italian @ 2.42
    11 90.5% Kurdish + 9.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.43
    12 63.1% Kurdish + 36.9% Turkish @ 2.47
    13 86.6% Kurdish + 13.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.48
    14 79% Kurdish + 21% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.48
    15 70.4% Azeri + 29.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.53
    16 80.3% Kurdish + 19.7% Syrian @ 2.58
    17 90.8% Kurdish + 9.2% Moroccan @ 2.64
    18 86.3% Kurdish + 13.7% East_Sicilian @ 2.64
    19 88% Kurdish + 12% West_Sicilian @ 2.66
    20 55.7% Iranian + 44.3% Turkish @ 2.75

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    Quote Originally Posted by MS85 View Post
    You might have seen Uzbeks from Tajikistan or Afghanistan. Or families mixed with the Uzbeks. The 'purest' Tajiks are still close to Kurds and Persians.
    The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhat View Post
    The only "Tajiks" lacking recent mongolid admixture are either Pamiri or Afghan Tajiks which are both not Tajiks in the strict sense. Pamiri orginally spoke East Iranic languages closer related to Pashto and Ossetian than to Persian or Kurdish and Afghan Tajiks are often just recently persianized Pashtuns especially the ones Living in eastern Afghanistan
    Do you know where exactly the Aryan Afghan I posted is from?
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results
    I think Rukha/Registan listed his background on Anthrogenica but I can't find it.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 39.98
    2 South_Asian 21.16
    3 Baltic 13.86
    4 North_Atlantic 10.37
    5 East_Med 5.67
    6 Siberian 3.87
    7 Amerindian 1.39
    8 Northeast_African 1.07
    9 Oceanian 0.81
    10 East_Asian 0.72
    11 Red_Sea 0.62
    12 West_Med 0.48

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.65
    2 Tadjik 9.12
    3 Afghan_Tadjik 13.54
    4 Kalash 14.34
    5 Tabassaran 16.51
    6 Pathan 17.67
    7 Burusho 17.73
    8 Chechen 18.42
    9 Balochi 18.42
    10 Lezgin 18.48
    11 Makrani 18.56
    12 Brahui 19.7
    13 Kumyk 20.01
    14 Kabardin 20.05
    15 Turkmen 20.1
    16 Punjabi_Jat 21.06
    17 Adygei 21.51
    18 Balkar 21.51
    19 North_Ossetian 21.71
    20 Ossetian 22.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73% Brahui + 27% Finnish @ 3.34
    2 91.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.5
    3 73% Brahui + 27% East_Finnish @ 3.51
    4 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 3.55
    5 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Erzya @ 3.56
    6 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Estonian @ 3.57
    7 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.59
    8 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.59
    9 92.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.7% Finnish @ 3.6
    10 91.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.6
    11 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Polish @ 3.61
    12 92.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.8% Belorussian @ 3.64
    13 92.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
    14 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.67
    15 91.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.68
    16 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% South_Polish @ 3.68
    17 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% Ukrainian @ 3.7
    18 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.7
    19 67.6% Balochi + 32.4% Tatar @ 3.72
    20 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Tabassaran @ 3.76

    Northeastern-shifted. He would be probably around 40% Sintashta on G25 if Mingle is ~30% and Rukha is ~35%.

    "sample": "Pashtun:Average",
    "fit": 1.3092,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 54.17,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 27.5,
    "Simulated_AASI": 10.83,
    "Mongola": 5,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 2.5
    Last edited by Leto; 08-05-2019 at 03:54 PM.

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    Once again. These results speak for themselves

    "sample": "Tajik_Ishkashim:Average",
    "fit": 1.8854,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 44.17
    ,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 42.5,
    "Mongola": 7.5,
    "Simulated_AASI": 5.83,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0

    "sample": "Tajik_Rushan:Average",
    "fit": 2.2294,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 54.17
    ,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 36.67,
    "Mongola": 4.17,
    "Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 0.83

    "sample": "Tajik_Shugnan:Average",
    "fit": 1.9018,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 49.17
    ,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
    "Mongola": 6.67,
    "Simulated_AASI": 4.17,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 1.67

    "sample": "Tajik_Yagnobi:Average",
    "fit": 1.8316,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 45,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 38.33,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 11.67,
    "Mongola": 5,
    "Simulated_AASI": 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    That's true, in Russia Tajiks (a few million guest workers) are probably the darkest group I've seen (blacks and South Asians are still uncommon in most places). They also show Mongoloid influence which is no surprise (many Uzbeks were recorded as Tajiks in Soviet times and switched to Persian).
    However occasionally light Aryan types do occur. Like this one (I found him once on social media)
    Spoiler!
    I think Yaghnobi Tajiks are a good example of early eastern iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Do you know where exactly the Aryan Afghan I posted is from?
    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results
    I think Rukha/Registan listed his background on Anthrogenica but I can't find it.

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 39.98
    2 South_Asian 21.16
    3 Baltic 13.86
    4 North_Atlantic 10.37
    5 East_Med 5.67
    6 Siberian 3.87
    7 Amerindian 1.39
    8 Northeast_African 1.07
    9 Oceanian 0.81
    10 East_Asian 0.72
    11 Red_Sea 0.62
    12 West_Med 0.48

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.65
    2 Tadjik 9.12
    3 Afghan_Tadjik 13.54
    4 Kalash 14.34
    5 Tabassaran 16.51
    6 Pathan 17.67
    7 Burusho 17.73
    8 Chechen 18.42
    9 Balochi 18.42
    10 Lezgin 18.48
    11 Makrani 18.56
    12 Brahui 19.7
    13 Kumyk 20.01
    14 Kabardin 20.05
    15 Turkmen 20.1
    16 Punjabi_Jat 21.06
    17 Adygei 21.51
    18 Balkar 21.51
    19 North_Ossetian 21.71
    20 Ossetian 22.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 73% Brahui + 27% Finnish @ 3.34
    2 91.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.5
    3 73% Brahui + 27% East_Finnish @ 3.51
    4 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 3.55
    5 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Erzya @ 3.56
    6 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Estonian @ 3.57
    7 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.59
    8 91.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.59
    9 92.3% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.7% Finnish @ 3.6
    10 91.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.6
    11 91.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.2% Polish @ 3.61
    12 92.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.8% Belorussian @ 3.64
    13 92.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.66
    14 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% East_Finnish @ 3.67
    15 91.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.68
    16 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% South_Polish @ 3.68
    17 91.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 8.4% Ukrainian @ 3.7
    18 92.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 7.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.7
    19 67.6% Balochi + 32.4% Tatar @ 3.72
    20 79.2% Afghan_Pashtun + 20.8% Tabassaran @ 3.76

    Northeastern-shifted. He would be probably around 40% Sintashta on G25 if Mingle is ~30% and Rukha is ~35%.

    "sample": "Pashtun:Average",
    "fit": 1.3092,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1": 54.17,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 27.5,
    "Simulated_AASI": 10.83,
    "Mongola": 5,
    "Anatolia_Barcin_C": 2.5
    His South Asian is rather high for a Badakshani or some less mongolid shifted Tajiks so he is probably a central Pashtun (Wardak, Logar,..) like Rukha. Central Pashtuns tend to be the most steppe shifted

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp Snow View Post
    I think Yaghnobi Tajiks are a good example of early eastern iranians.
    Yeah, they are Sogdians, I believe. I would like to see more DNA results from Tajikistan, in particular from the Western Persian-speaking part. In the Northwestern and Westernmost parts of the country there is a lot of ethnic Uzbeks though. I guess purer Tajiks should be somewhere between Gharm and Kulob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhat View Post
    His South Asian is rather high for a Badakshani or some less mongolid shifted Tajiks so he is probably a central Pashtun (Wardak, Logar,..) like Rukha. Central Pashtuns tend to be the most steppe shifted
    I believe he is like 1/4 Pashtun but also part Badakhshani.

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