Origin of E-V13

[Daos777]

I'm just learning about it myself but seems like a hell of a haplogroup. Lots of people here are jealous of it. It's hard to get a straight answer on TA because everyone is a cheerleader/PR person for their own haplogroup. Anyway, this is a map showing that E-V13 dudes impregnated chicks throughout Europe:

Lol thats what I hate about people in general lack of objectivity. I honestly don’t care if it came from god damn Tanzania just show me the proof. What doesn’t add up to me is parent clades being found in North Africa(oldest) and Spain(Mesolithic). And outside of the Natufian samples no more recent E-V13 parent clades were found in the Levant where it supposedly came from. That’s kind of weird to me.


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[jingorex]

Neolithic farmers tested have only 1% E1b actually; only G2a and I2a are significant lineages found among the neolithic farmers. E-v13 grew later on through some sort of rapid founder effect/population boom.

What about G1?

[Tauromachos]

Evolved from early Neolithic Farmers who settled in Europe via a particular mutation.

Probably these Farmers lived first mainly in South East Europe and from there spread into different directions

[PaleoEuropean]

What specific peoples/civilizations brought it to Europe? Which ancient European civilizations do you think had it in high numbers? Thracians? Illyrians? Greek?


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Neolithic Farmers

[PaleoEuropean]

What about G1?

G is more Iranian centered, but also Neolithic Farmers.

[Daos777]

Neolithic Farmers

But why is it almost non existent in Neolithic farmer samples?


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[catgeorge]

Egyptian origins - Cypro-Crete had a decent amount of ancient cultural similarities with ancient Egyptians.
Sesklo & Dimini cultures was 70% E and first known neolithic culture in Europe 10,000 years ago.

[Tauromachos]

Egyptian origins - Cypro-Crete had a decent amount of ancient cultural similarities with ancient Egyptians.

Hm yeah but Crete is the place in Greece with the lowest EV13 actually

Sesklo & Dimini cultures was 70% E and first known neolithic culture in Europe 10,000 years ago.

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[PaleoEuropean]

But why is it almost lacking in Neolithic farmer samples?


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Neolithic Farmers is a pretty loose term, E and G probably trickled in long before the actually farming boom. But E wasn't the main lineage so I assume it was more dispersed and less remains have been found.

[catgeorge]

Hm yeah but Crete is the place in Greece with the lowest EV13 actually



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I didnt say they mated like crazy I said their was likely contacts trade or other. Maybe one of the E tribes travelled further into Greek mainland and grew that two separate tribes developed later known as Sesklo and Dimini.