South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

[vbnetkhio]

Oh no, another good thread ruined with imaginary "slavs" in great numbers from marshes. Anything that doesn't fit history or PCA is "slav". Time to hide.

that's what i concluded looking at their results in gedmatch calcualtors, they are not perfect, but it's the best i have.
btw i would like to hear your opinion too. it's boring to just post my theories and get no feedback.

[vbnetkhio]

What is this person ethnicity ?

Herzegovina Croat.

[Jana]

On K15 all my family gets way higher North Sea than Baltic, including my husband. I didn't notice this is common.

On K13 though our results are standard (higher Baltic than North Atlantic)

I feel K15 isn't as balanced as K13.

Because North Sea is pure Germanic component peaking in Norway, Scyhtians get lot of it too. My family gets practically no Germanic in commercial tests neither I get any on Global 25, so I think K15 isn't as good as K13.

[Jana]

Herzegovina Croat.

Lot of BiH Croats are kinda eastern shifted, many (but not all) Dalmatians too. In Bosnia-Herzegovina there are little to none genetic differences among ethnic groups.

Southern Croatia are practically same cluster with BiH, North Croatia is different. No suprise since many of us in Dalmatia have origins from there.

I except similar for Slavonia but there is probably some internal diversity there.

[vbnetkhio]

Lot of BiH Croats are kinda eastern shifted, many (but not all) Dalmatians too. In Bosnia-Herzegovina there are little to none genetic differences among ethnic groups.

Southern Croatia are practically same cluster with BiH, North Croatia is different. No suprise since many of us in Dalmatia have origins from there.

I except similar for Slavonia but there is probably some internal diversity there.

on this PCA so far only Bosnian Croats overlap with the Serb/Bosniak cluster. the Dalmatian coastal Croat, and you and your family are north of that. Herzegovina Croats are east of that, they are more Slavic, but a lot of them also have something exotic in addition to that(at least according to the oracle result)

[Jana]

on this PCA so far only Bosnian Croats overlap with the Serb/Bosniak cluster. the Dalmatian coastal Croat, and you and your family are north of that. Herzegovina Croats are east of that, they are more Slavic, but a lot of them also have something exotic in addition to that(at least according to the oracle result)

My father is 1/4 Bosniak, mother is 1/8 Serb (and something else I am not sure abut). It is interesting about Herzegovina. Because they are stereotyped as least Slavic looking Croats (as well as darkest).

Show how stupid and often outdated these stereotypes are.

[bained]

that's what i concluded looking at their results in gedmatch calcualtors, they are not perfect, but it's the best i have.
btw i would like to hear your opinion too. it's boring to just post my theories and get no feedback.

Idk man, I was silenced and warned on another forum for disagreeing with the whole Slav invasion thing. I can post 2 sources by Florin Curta from Cambridge University, where he explains that name changes of tribes north of Danube was very common and often contradicted the previous source. In 1 sentence, I agree there was some movement of people into the Balkans, but in no time they were ever homogenous or belonged in Slavic super-ethnicity, culture whatever. And I think if you include the ancient samples from Moldova Scythian and the Alans, you can also make a good fit for the PCA. Thing is we dont have any samples between 0 to 600AD, when there were multiple groups settling the Balkans.

1. https://www.academia.edu/38961942/Et...IC8Gdbg9gKodh0
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books...08D15C2230E5E4

P.S. Why were the Avar samples immediately labeled "slavic women" and the Magyar chief immediately "Magyarised Slav" ? Sounds fishy as fuck.

[vbnetkhio]

It is interesting about Herzegovina. Because they are stereotyped as least Slavic looking Croats (as well as darkest)

it could be these exotic influences. they all get 90% Central Euro(Ukrainian, Hungarian, Croatian) + 10% something exotic.
i'm not sure if the last 2 are from Herzegovina, Cumansky posted them. but they get similar results as the first 2.

Z535935 Croatia_B-H1H(Herzegovina)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.33
2 Atlantic 19.93
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 14.09
5 West_Asian 10.36
6 West_Med 9.99
7 East_Med 7.35
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.78
2 Moldavian 6.53
3 Austrian 6.78
4 Serbian 8.27
5 Hungarian 8.46
6 Romanian 9.34
7 South_Polish 10.6
8 Bulgarian 11.27
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.34
10 East_German 11.35
11 Ukrainian 12.08
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.78
13 Polish 12.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.42
15 Southwest_Russian 14.1
16 Estonian_Polish 15.49
17 Belorussian 15.5
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.03
19 Kargopol_Russian 17.64
20 South_Dutch 17.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Abhkasian @ 3.39
2 92.5% Croatian + 7.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.41
3 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Georgian @ 3.41
4 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Adygei @ 3.43
5 92.2% Croatian + 7.8% Balkar @ 3.48
6 91.9% Croatian + 8.1% Kabardin @ 3.49
7 92.8% Croatian + 7.2% Ossetian @ 3.49
8 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% Chechen @ 3.61
9 92% Croatian + 8% Kumyk @ 3.65
10 92.1% Croatian + 7.9% Turkish @ 3.75
11 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Lezgin @ 3.78
12 78.6% Croatian + 21.4% Bulgarian @ 3.81
13 93.7% Croatian + 6.3% Armenian @ 3.81
14 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Kurdish @ 3.86
15 93% Croatian + 7% Azeri @ 3.86
16 58.9% Romanian + 41.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
17 93.9% Croatian + 6.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.87
18 75.6% Croatian + 24.4% Romanian @ 3.92
19 89.8% Croatian + 10.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.93
20 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Tabassaran @ 3.96

Z728548 croatBHCHZ11_1m(Herz)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.97
2 Baltic 19.16
3 Atlantic 13.01
4 Eastern_Euro 12.61
5 West_Med 10.57
6 West_Asian 6.62
7 East_Med 6.35
8 South_Asian 4.04
9 Red_Sea 0.93
10 Siberian 0.38
11 Amerindian 0.36
12 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.24
2 Moldavian 7.75
3 East_German 8.79
4 Croatian 8.97
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.99
6 Serbian 10.2
7 Austrian 10.46
8 Ukrainian 10.84
9 South_Polish 11.24
10 Romanian 12.94
11 West_German 13.72
12 Polish 13.9
13 Southwest_Finnish 13.98
14 Finnish 14.04
15 South_Dutch 15.32
16 North_Swedish 15.37
17 Russian_Smolensk 15.97
18 Bulgarian 15.98
19 North_German 16.01
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Gujarati @ 4.16
2 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.18
3 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Kol @ 4.19
4 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Dusadh @ 4.22
5 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Velamas @ 4.23
6 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Kurumba @ 4.23
7 96% Hungarian + 4% Piramalai @ 4.24
8 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Kshatriya @ 4.24
9 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Dharkar @ 4.25
10 96.1% Hungarian + 3.9% Sakilli @ 4.25
11 95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% North_Kannadi @ 4.25
12 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Brahmin_UP @ 4.26
13 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 4.26
14 96.1% Hungarian + 3.9% Chamar @ 4.26
15 95.6% Hungarian + 4.4% Kanjar @ 4.26
16 95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% Chenchu @ 4.26
17 94.5% Hungarian + 5.5% Sindhi @ 4.29
18 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Bangladeshi @ 4.3
19 93.9% Hungarian + 6.1% Pathan @ 4.3
20 94% Hungarian + 6% Kalash @ 4.36

Gp3448254 Croatian Gp3448254

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.18
2 Baltic 20.72
3 Atlantic 16.56
4 East_Med 12.07
5 Eastern_Euro 11.7
6 West_Med 9.16
7 West_Asian 4.09
8 South_Asian 0.94
9 Amerindian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.2
11 Sub-Saharan 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.86
2 Croatian 8.25
3 Austrian 8.3
4 Serbian 8.45
5 Moldavian 8.65
6 East_German 9.75
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.03
8 Romanian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.46
10 Ukrainian 11.76
11 Polish 13.75
12 Bulgarian 13.79
13 West_German 14.47
14 Southwest_Finnish 14.51
15 Finnish 15.23
16 South_Dutch 15.33
17 Russian_Smolensk 15.5
18 North_German 16.17
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.21
20 Southwest_Russian 16.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% Hungarian + 5.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
2 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.13
3 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.2
4 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.21
5 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Palestinian @ 4.21
6 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Samaritan @ 4.22
7 93.5% Hungarian + 6.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.27
8 94.1% Hungarian + 5.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.29
9 93.4% Hungarian + 6.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.3
10 94.6% Hungarian + 5.4% Cyprian @ 4.3
11 95% Hungarian + 5% Jordanian @ 4.32
12 95.4% Hungarian + 4.6% Egyptian @ 4.37
13 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.38
14 94% Hungarian + 6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.38
15 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.39
16 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% South_Italian @ 4.4
17 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.4
18 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.41
19 91.2% Hungarian + 8.8% Greek @ 4.43
20 92.8% Hungarian + 7.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.43

T063442 Croatian T063442

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.41
2 North_Sea 19.6
3 Eastern_Euro 16.76
4 East_Med 10.82
5 Atlantic 10.79
6 West_Med 9.98
7 West_Asian 4.87
8 Red_Sea 1.4
9 Northeast_African 0.89
10 Siberian 0.28
11 Southeast_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.14
2 Croatian 7.54
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.23
4 Ukrainian 8.73
5 Hungarian 9.19
6 South_Polish 9.7
7 Serbian 11.12
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.86
9 Polish 12.11
10 Southwest_Russian 12.17
11 Russian_Smolensk 12.53
12 Romanian 12.71
13 Austrian 12.76
14 Belorussian 13.85
15 Estonian_Polish 14.08
16 East_German 14.48
17 Bulgarian 14.52
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.18
19 Estonian 15.81
20 Erzya 16.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.6% Ukrainian + 15.4% Samaritan @ 3.15
2 85% Ukrainian + 15% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.25
3 85% Ukrainian + 15% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.35
4 82.4% Ukrainian + 17.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.38
5 83.2% Ukrainian + 16.8% Cyprian @ 3.47
6 84.7% Ukrainian + 15.3% Palestinian @ 3.59
7 84.3% Ukrainian + 15.7% Jordanian @ 3.72
8 82.9% Ukrainian + 17.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.92
9 81.7% Ukrainian + 18.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.94
10 84% Ukrainian + 16% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.95
11 84.1% Ukrainian + 15.9% Syrian @ 4
12 81.4% Ukrainian + 18.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.03
13 77.1% Ukrainian + 22.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.07
14 87.6% Ukrainian + 12.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.07
15 85.8% Ukrainian + 14.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.12
16 86.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.7% Samaritan @ 4.18
17 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.21
18 86.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.23
19 72.7% Ukrainian + 27.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.23
20 86.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.24

[Jana]

Idk man, I was silenced and warned on another forum for disagreeing with the whole Slav invasion thing. I can post 2 sources by Florin Curta from Cambridge University, where he explains that name changes of tribes north of Danube was very common and often contradicted the previous source. In 1 sentence, I agree there was some movement of people into the Balkans, but in no time they were ever homogenous or belonged in Slavic super-ethnicity. And I think if you include the ancient samples from Moldova Scythian and the Alans, you can also make a good fit for the PCA. Thing is we dont have any samples between 0 to 600AD, when there were multiple groups settling the Balkans.

1. https://www.academia.edu/38961942/Et...IC8Gdbg9gKodh0
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books...08D15C2230E5E4

P.S. Why were the Avar samples immediately labeled "slavic women" and the Magyar chief immediately "Magyarised Slav" ? Sounds fishy as fuck.

Florin Curta was dismissed as unreliable scholar by many other serious acedemics.
Btw, if Avars from Szoad cluster with Belarusians and have 0% mongoloid, what are they but Slavic ? It is well known some Slavic allies of Avars assimilated with them. Or Belarusians are Avars ??!



I don't remember anyone labeling some Magyar chief as Slavic, they certanly were not.

[Jana]

OP, do you think my husband has possible minor Gypsy admixture ? On calculators he is most often modeled 90% Hungarian + 10% North Caucasian or Afghan/Tajik though.