South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

[Insuperable]

What is so exotic about this person?

Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.33
2 Atlantic 19.93
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 14.09
5 West_Asian 10.36
6 West_Med 9.99
7 East_Med 7.35
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.13

[Insuperable]

Plot this Croat from Herzegovina too.
M803078

[MercifulServant]

Mine

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Moldavian + 9.4% Sardinian @ 4.18
2 86% Moldavian + 14% Central_Greek @ 4.51
3 88.1% Moldavian + 11.9% South_Italian @ 4.57
4 86% Moldavian + 14% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.58
5 87% Moldavian + 13% East_Sicilian @ 4.6
6 87.1% Moldavian + 12.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.68
7 82.4% Moldavian + 17.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.68
8 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% Tuscan @ 4.7
9 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% North_Italian @ 4.78
10 71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Bulgarian @ 4.79
11 91.7% Moldavian + 8.3% Cyprian @ 4.83
12 92.6% Moldavian + 7.4% Armenian @ 4.84
13 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Georgian @ 4.86
14 67.2% Moldavian + 32.8% Romanian @ 4.86
15 90.8% Moldavian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.89
16 90.9% Moldavian + 9.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.9
17 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Abhkasian @ 4.92
18 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% Turkish @ 4.94
19 92.3% Moldavian + 7.7% Moroccan @ 4.98
20 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% Ossetian @ 4.98

[Ford]

What is so exotic about this person?

Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.33
2 Atlantic 19.93
3 North_Sea 15.98
4 Eastern_Euro 14.09
5 West_Asian 10.36
6 West_Med 9.99
7 East_Med 7.35
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.13

Nothing tbh, maybe west asia is on the higher end but the other components aren't anything special from what I can see.

[MercifulServant]

On K15 all my family gets way higher North Sea than Baltic, including my husband. I didn't notice this is common.

On K13 though our results are standard (higher Baltic than North Atlantic)

I feel K15 isn't as balanced as K13.

Because North Sea is pure Germanic component peaking in Norway, Scyhtians get lot of it too. My family gets practically no Germanic in commercial tests neither I get any on Global 25, so I think K15 isn't as good as K13.

K13 is definitely better. K15 just has unessecery components and many people get weird results on it. What matters with K15 is not the components but where you plot on a PCA

[Jana]

K13 is definitely better. K15 just has unessecery components and many people get weird results on it. What matters with K15 is not the components but where you plot on a PCA

Agreed. North Sea and East Euro are unnecessary and unbalanced components. PCA is good to compare with other people indeed.

As some poster said, K13 is by far best gedmatch can offer.
Their reference populations need some updates though (some are lacking)

[vbnetkhio]

Idk man, I was silenced and warned on another forum for disagreeing with the whole Slav invasion thing. I can post 2 sources by Florin Curta from Cambridge University, where he explains that name changes of tribes north of Danube was very common and often contradicted the previous source. In 1 sentence, I agree there was some movement of people into the Balkans, but in no time they were ever homogenous or belonged in Slavic super-ethnicity. And I think if you include the ancient samples from Moldova Scythian and the Alans, you can also make a good fit for the PCA. Thing is we dont have any samples between 0 to 600AD, when there were multiple groups settling the Balkans.

1. https://www.academia.edu/38961942/Et...IC8Gdbg9gKodh0
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/books...08D15C2230E5E4

P.S. Why were the Avar samples immediately labeled "slavic women" and the Magyar chief immediately "Magyarised Slav" ? Sounds fishy as fuck.

i'll add ancient samples available on Gedmatch later today. do we have an Alan sample?

PCA is only 2d. i can't make fits with it.i i make conclusions from admixture results and oracle, the PCA is just there to summarize it and show it visually.
just looking at the PCA, an east pulled Bulgarian could be pulled east by Caucasian, Indian, East Asian ..very different stuff. but then we look at his results and oracle, and he gets 90% Bulgarian +10% Turkish for example. then it's much clearer.

most Balkanites i've seen so far get something Slavic + some region of Greece or Italy in oracles. and the pre-Slavic Balkan samples all get Italy or Greece on the first place in oracle.

[Mingle]

Western Sandžak Muslim (Sjenica)

Eurogenes K13

Spoiler!

Population :
North_Atlantic 21.89
Baltic 27.05
West_Med 17.93
West_Asian 10.19
East_Med 18.15
Red_Sea 2.57
Amerindian 1.05
Oceanian 0.53
Sub-Saharan 0.64

Western Sandžak Muslim (Sjenica/Novi Pazar)

Eurogenes K13

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26
2 Baltic 24.89
3 West_Med 19.84
4 East_Med 17
5 West_Asian 7.93
6 Red_Sea 2.96
7 South_Asian 1.39
8 Siberian 0.01

Eurogenes K15

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.33
2 West_Med 15.86
3 Baltic 15.38
4 East_Med 13.86
5 Atlantic 13.81
6 Eastern_Euro 8.72
7 West_Asian 7.97
8 Red_Sea 2.82
9 South_Asian 0.25

SE Serb/Shop Serb (Jablanica)

Eurogenes K13

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.19
2 North_Atlantic 22.22
3 West_Med 19.89
4 East_Med 17.8
5 West_Asian 8.06
6 Siberian 2.59
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Sub-Saharan 0.28
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 South_Asian 0.27

Eurogenes K15

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# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.91
2 Baltic 16.86
3 West_Med 15.52
4 East_Med 14.06
5 Atlantic 11.65
6 Eastern_Euro 11.18
7 West_Asian 8.16
8 Siberian 1.92
9 Red_Sea 1.74

[Aspirin]

Results of Moldavian user, Zmey Gorynych.

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 22.18
Baltic 33.94
West_Med 14.38
West_Asian 9.99
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.21
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
Population
North_Sea 14.53
Atlantic 15.33
Baltic 21.60
Eastern_Euro 14.69
West_Med 10.95
West_Asian 9.85
East_Med 8.96
Red_Sea 2.97
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.38
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.50
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Leto]

Mine

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Moldavian + 9.4% Sardinian @ 4.18
2 86% Moldavian + 14% Central_Greek @ 4.51
3 88.1% Moldavian + 11.9% South_Italian @ 4.57
4 86% Moldavian + 14% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.58
5 87% Moldavian + 13% East_Sicilian @ 4.6
6 87.1% Moldavian + 12.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.68
7 82.4% Moldavian + 17.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.68
8 85.5% Moldavian + 14.5% Tuscan @ 4.7
9 84.9% Moldavian + 15.1% North_Italian @ 4.78
10 71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Bulgarian @ 4.79
11 91.7% Moldavian + 8.3% Cyprian @ 4.83
12 92.6% Moldavian + 7.4% Armenian @ 4.84
13 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Georgian @ 4.86
14 67.2% Moldavian + 32.8% Romanian @ 4.86
15 90.8% Moldavian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.89
16 90.9% Moldavian + 9.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.9
17 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Abhkasian @ 4.92
18 91.3% Moldavian + 8.7% Turkish @ 4.94
19 92.3% Moldavian + 7.7% Moroccan @ 4.98
20 92.4% Moldavian + 7.6% Ossetian @ 4.98

Why did you imply in the past that you were a wog or swarthoid? Your results are not even super Balkanic.

What are your West Med, West Asian, East Med and Red Sea scores from K15?