Iranian GEDmatch kits

[SharpFork]

Less. Many mazandaranis even score 0-5%

0-5% Steppe? You mean in the last 3 millennia Mazandaranis weren't influencend at all by Indo-Europeans, Eastern Iranians, Turks etc.? This seems unlikely at best.

[Babak]

0-5% Steppe? You mean in the last 3 millennia Mazandaranis weren't influencend at all by Indo-Europeans, Eastern Iranians, Turks etc.? This seems unlikely at best.

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

[SharpFork]

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

They didn't resist anything, they were conquered and/or ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanids, Arabs, Turks etc.
They followed Iranian polytheism and now Islam, obviously they were influenced culturally at the very least.

[Babak]

They didn't resist anything, they were conquered and/or ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanids, Arabs, Turks etc.
They followed Iranian polytheism and now Islam, obviously they were influenced culturally at the very least.

No, they heavily resisted Arab influence.

Anyway, the point im trying to make is they barely score any steppe compared to all other Iranic groups despite history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazandaran_Province

[hussein khan]

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

[hussein khan]

Yea. In fact, they are the most isolated people in Iran. They resisted influence from every invader, including arabs. They do have slightly elevated South asian that makes them closer to tajiks but its probably native.

Mazandaranis=Archaic Iranics

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

[Kyp]

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

agree. But they still have 25% R1a. I think steppe ancestry is bigger than 5%.


They can be modelled as Chalcolithic Iranian (around 75%) plus Early Iranic pastoralist (22%) and around 1 %Mongolian.
That means they're about 13% Steppe.

Edit: if you use Turkmenistan_IA as proxy for early Iranics.

[Babak]

but iranics are supposed to be steppe-derived by huge margin.

Wouldnt it be more correct to call them "pre-iranic iranians"?

Thats why i said they are Archaic iranians.

Huge margin? Lol 15-25% is nothing for west iranics.

[hussein khan]

Thats why i said they are Archaic iranians.

Huge margin? Lol 15-25% is nothing for west iranics.

Well, i thought you meant archaic iranics

But if iran chac is supposed to be yagnobi/sogdian/turkmen IA alike, then im a bit suprised how close you are to them compared to afghans. I thought pashtuns and iranians would be equally as close to turkmen IA.

[Kyp]

Well, i thought you meant archaic iranics

But if iran chac is supposed to be yagnobi/sogdian/turkmen IA alike, then im a bit suprised how close you are to them compared to afghans. I thought pashtuns and iranians would be equally as close to turkmen IA.

Iran_Chl is not like yagnobi or sogdian. BMAC was more like Iran_Neolithic. Yagnobi are between Steppe and Iran_Neo. Just like early Iranic pastoralists.
Chalcolithic Iran is between Iran_Neo and Anatolia_Neo.