k36 2-way ancient oracle

**vbnetkhio** · 11-04-2019, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by bained

Oh shit. Makes sense, since I'm from a pretty big 3rd century roman fort/town. I just ordered a new Y-dna SNP, because my I2a-Z17855 is negative to all downstream branches.

that seems like a haplogroup of the Antes. but individual haplogroups have no correlation with autosomal.

**bained** · 11-04-2019, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

that seems like a haplogroup of the Antes. but individual haplogroups have no correlation with autosomal.

Or Proto-Bulgar clade, since it corresponds to areas of the First Bulgarian Tsardom and since I'm vivid anti-slavic person

**firemonkey** · 11-04-2019, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

as you said, you seem to be modelled best as iron age Levantine + Iranian or Kurdish, your cousin fits better as iron age Levantine + Armenian or Anatolian

Any thoughts on my father's results?

**vbnetkhio** · 11-04-2019, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by firemonkey

Any thoughts on my father's results?

he's also British Celtic + Germanic, like you

57 % IA_Britain_York_6DRIF21_ + 43 % RISE175_Abekas_I_Sweden_3025_years_M_F_M235_T1a1"

those Czech,Polish,German bell beakers were probably very similar to British Celts so them+Germanics works too.

**~~Kamal900~~** · 11-04-2019, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

as you said, you seem to be modelled best as iron age Levantine + Iranian or Kurdish, your cousin fits better as iron age Levantine + Armenian or Anatolian

I missed Hadouken and Zoran..

**andre** · 11-04-2019, 09:01 PM

Someone could run my results please?
Amerindian -
Arabian 2.77 Pct
Armenian 1.49 Pct
Basque 3.92 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.10 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.14 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.00 Pct
East_Med 5.18 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.26 Pct
Fennoscandian 7.48 Pct
French -
Iberian 3.48 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.34 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.69 Pct
North_African 0.52 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.38 Pct
North_Caucasian 3.59 Pct
North_Sea 3.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.75 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.99 Pct
West_Med 3.35 Pct

**vbnetkhio** · 11-04-2019, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by andre

Someone could run my results please?

Code:

> DodecadOracle(c(0,2.78,1.46,4,0,4.12,0,0,10.22,0,16.07,5.28,8.23,7.6,0,3.44,0,13.2,0,5.74,0.42,5.35,3.59,3.43,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.69,0,0.91,3.45),k=20)
      [,1]                                                            [,2]     
 [1,] "BR2_Ludas_Varju_dulo_Hungary_1110_1270_cal_BC_M_J_M67_K1a1a"   "17.6865"
 [2,] "BA_Hungary_BR2_"                                               "17.7261"
 [3,] "BR2_Hungary_Kyjatice_Culture_1200_BC_1200_BC_M_J2a1_K1a1a"     "18.5773"
 [4,] "BR1_Hungary_Mako_Culture_2100_BC_2100_BC_"                     "18.947" 
 [5,] "AV1_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_"                     "19.0795"
 [6,] "DA191_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_550_bc_"                         "19.2542"
 [7,] "SZ5_SG_Longobard"                                              "19.5369"
 [8,] "ANI163_Varna_I_Suvorovo_"                                      "19.7286"
 [9,] "Scythian009_Ukraine_800_400_BC"                                "19.7859"
[10,] "SZ1_Greek_Balkan_2"                                            "19.8793"
[11,] "RISE569_Early_Medieval_Czech_2000_years_F_H1af2"               "20.0242"
[12,] "I12031_mixed_Visigoth_Balkanite_500_600_CE_M_E1b1b1a1b1a_H1e2" "20.0322"
[13,] "Scythian_Hungary191_"                                          "20.1191"
[14,] "EMA_Alpine_STR_310_"                                           "20.2774"
[15,] "MJ34_West_Scythian_R1a_Z93_"                                   "20.3813"
[16,] "SZ18_Pannonian_2"                                              "20.6564"
[17,] "DA197_Hungary_Scythian"                                        "20.7588"
[18,] "SZ5_Pannonian_"                                                "21.0338"
[19,] "CL53_670_AD_langobard"                                         "21.1593"
[20,] "DA194_Hungary_Scythian"                                        "21.2911"
> DodecadOracle(c(0,2.78,1.46,4,0,4.12,0,0,10.22,0,16.07,5.28,8.23,7.6,0,3.44,0,13.2,0,5.74,0.42,5.35,3.59,3.43,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.69,0,0.91,3.45),k=20,mixedmode=T)
      [,1]                                                                                      [,2]    
 [1,] "45.1 %  CL25_south_Italian_  +  54.9 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_"        "7.4803"
 [2,] "45.5 %  CL25_south_Italian_2  +  54.5 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_"       "7.5477"
 [3,] "56.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  43.6 %  Mycenaean:I9006_"           "7.79"  
 [4,] "56.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  43.6 %  I9006_Mycenaean_1350_bc_"   "7.8946"
 [5,] "57.7 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  42.3 %  Mycenaean:I9006_"          "8.1757"
 [6,] "56.2 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  43.8 %  CL25_south_Italian_"       "8.1973"
 [7,] "57.7 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  42.3 %  I9006_Mycenaean_1350_bc_"  "8.3429"
 [8,] "55.8 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  44.2 %  CL25_south_Italian_2"      "8.4747"
 [9,] "49.5 %  DA198_Hungary_Scythian  +  50.5 %  ILS01_lowquality_estonia"                     "8.6931"
[10,] "50.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  49.6 %  SZ36_north_Italian_"        "8.7852"
[11,] "48.9 %  CL25_south_Italian_  +  51.1 %  DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1"             "8.8124"
[12,] "52.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  47.8 %  DA198_Hungary_Scythian"     "8.8156"
[13,] "55.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.8 %  I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_" "8.8604"
[14,] "55.7 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.3 %  SZ19_Italian_Balkan_"       "8.8645"
[15,] "55.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.6 %  I9041_Mycenaean_1353_bc_"   "8.9082"
[16,] "55.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.6 %  Mycenaean:I9041_"           "8.9143"
[17,] "50.6 %  ILS01_lowquality_estonia  +  49.4 %  MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_"                     "8.9306"
[18,] "55.5 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.5 %  Mycenaean:I9033_"           "8.936" 
[19,] "50.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  49.8 %  CL36_north_Italian_"        "8.9416"
[20,] "59.9 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  40.1 %  I8215_3iberia"             "8.9489"

**andre** · 11-04-2019, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Code:

> DodecadOracle(c(0,2.78,1.46,4,0,4.12,0,0,10.22,0,16.07,5.28,8.23,7.6,0,3.44,0,13.2,0,5.74,0.42,5.35,3.59,3.43,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.69,0,0.91,3.45),k=20)
      [,1]                                                            [,2]     
 [1,] "BR2_Ludas_Varju_dulo_Hungary_1110_1270_cal_BC_M_J_M67_K1a1a"   "17.6865"
 [2,] "BA_Hungary_BR2_"                                               "17.7261"
 [3,] "BR2_Hungary_Kyjatice_Culture_1200_BC_1200_BC_M_J2a1_K1a1a"     "18.5773"
 [4,] "BR1_Hungary_Mako_Culture_2100_BC_2100_BC_"                     "18.947" 
 [5,] "AV1_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_"                     "19.0795"
 [6,] "DA191_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_550_bc_"                         "19.2542"
 [7,] "SZ5_SG_Longobard"                                              "19.5369"
 [8,] "ANI163_Varna_I_Suvorovo_"                                      "19.7286"
 [9,] "Scythian009_Ukraine_800_400_BC"                                "19.7859"
[10,] "SZ1_Greek_Balkan_2"                                            "19.8793"
[11,] "RISE569_Early_Medieval_Czech_2000_years_F_H1af2"               "20.0242"
[12,] "I12031_mixed_Visigoth_Balkanite_500_600_CE_M_E1b1b1a1b1a_H1e2" "20.0322"
[13,] "Scythian_Hungary191_"                                          "20.1191"
[14,] "EMA_Alpine_STR_310_"                                           "20.2774"
[15,] "MJ34_West_Scythian_R1a_Z93_"                                   "20.3813"
[16,] "SZ18_Pannonian_2"                                              "20.6564"
[17,] "DA197_Hungary_Scythian"                                        "20.7588"
[18,] "SZ5_Pannonian_"                                                "21.0338"
[19,] "CL53_670_AD_langobard"                                         "21.1593"
[20,] "DA194_Hungary_Scythian"                                        "21.2911"
> DodecadOracle(c(0,2.78,1.46,4,0,4.12,0,0,10.22,0,16.07,5.28,8.23,7.6,0,3.44,0,13.2,0,5.74,0.42,5.35,3.59,3.43,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.69,0,0.91,3.45),k=20,mixedmode=T)
      [,1]                                                                                      [,2]    
 [1,] "45.1 %  CL25_south_Italian_  +  54.9 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_"        "7.4803"
 [2,] "45.5 %  CL25_south_Italian_2  +  54.5 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_"       "7.5477"
 [3,] "56.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  43.6 %  Mycenaean:I9006_"           "7.79"  
 [4,] "56.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  43.6 %  I9006_Mycenaean_1350_bc_"   "7.8946"
 [5,] "57.7 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  42.3 %  Mycenaean:I9006_"          "8.1757"
 [6,] "56.2 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  43.8 %  CL25_south_Italian_"       "8.1973"
 [7,] "57.7 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  42.3 %  I9006_Mycenaean_1350_bc_"  "8.3429"
 [8,] "55.8 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  44.2 %  CL25_south_Italian_2"      "8.4747"
 [9,] "49.5 %  DA198_Hungary_Scythian  +  50.5 %  ILS01_lowquality_estonia"                     "8.6931"
[10,] "50.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  49.6 %  SZ36_north_Italian_"        "8.7852"
[11,] "48.9 %  CL25_south_Italian_  +  51.1 %  DA29_GoldenHordeEuro_700_R_YP575_I1"             "8.8124"
[12,] "52.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  47.8 %  DA198_Hungary_Scythian"     "8.8156"
[13,] "55.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.8 %  I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_" "8.8604"
[14,] "55.7 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.3 %  SZ19_Italian_Balkan_"       "8.8645"
[15,] "55.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.6 %  I9041_Mycenaean_1353_bc_"   "8.9082"
[16,] "55.4 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.6 %  Mycenaean:I9041_"           "8.9143"
[17,] "50.6 %  ILS01_lowquality_estonia  +  49.4 %  MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_"                     "8.9306"
[18,] "55.5 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  44.5 %  Mycenaean:I9033_"           "8.936" 
[19,] "50.2 %  DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_  +  49.8 %  CL36_north_Italian_"        "8.9416"
[20,] "59.9 %  AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_  +  40.1 %  I8215_3iberia"             "8.9489"

Could you explain me this results? What do you see? Thank you so much

**vbnetkhio** · 11-04-2019, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by andre

Could you explain me this results? What do you see? Thank you so much

you are a normal Slav + Paleo-Balkan combination

the DA198 Scythian was probably actually a Pannonian or Dacian so he's also a good fit.

**Lucas** · 11-04-2019, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

....

When you merged mine and Peterski samples there are some duplicates now (or results with less than 0.1 difference). I guess you also find some yourself. Check it...