South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

**Jana** · 11-05-2019, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

emziepiex3 is UltimatePagan?

Yeah.

**Leto** · 11-05-2019, 03:54 PM

Slovenian average based on 15 academic samples plus a custom oracle by @Lemgrant

Code:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 30.62
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 9.96
5 West_Asian 6.83
6 Red_Sea 1.23
7 South_Asian 0.64
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Amerindian 0.48
10 Oceanian 0.29
11 East_Asian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.2
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Code:

k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0.52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=60)
      [,1]                      [,2]     
 [1,] "Slovenian"               "1.1248" 
 [2,] "Hungarian"               "3.768"  
 [3,] "Croatian"                "4.566"  
 [4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1"     "6.1451" 
 [5,] "Czech"                   "6.3378" 
 [6,] "SerbianBosnia"           "6.6926" 
 [7,] "Moldavian"               "6.9912" 
 [8,] "Slovakian1"              "7.3225" 
 [9,] "Austrian"                "7.8101" 
[10,] "East_German"             "7.845"  
[11,] "JosephK"                 "7.8646" 
[12,] "Serbian"                 "9.5774" 
[13,] "South_Polish"            "10.3029"
[14,] "Ukrainian_Lviv"          "10.735" 
[15,] "Ukrainian"               "11.897" 
[16,] "Polish"                  "14.4507"
[17,] "Romanian"                "14.4795"
[18,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1"     "15.1244"
[19,] "Cossack_Kuban2"          "15.8825"
[20,] "Southwest_Russian"       "16.6498"
[21,] "West_German"             "16.8038"
[22,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "17.1445"
[23,] "Bulgarian"               "17.453" 
[24,] "Russian_Smolensk"        "17.6887"
[25,] "South_Dutch"             "18.1896"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish"         "18.2569"
[27,] "North_Macedonian"        "18.3285"
[28,] "Belorussian"             "18.6702"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish"       "18.7205"
[30,] "North_Swedish"           "19.0076"
[31,] "North_German"            "19.2578"
[32,] "French"                  "20.6012"
[33,] "Kargopol_Russian"        "20.7778"
[34,] "Swedish"                 "21.0207"
[35,] "Finnish"                 "21.8655"
[36,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey"     "22.0855"
[37,] "Estonian"                "22.1127"
[38,] "Danish"                  "22.2121"
[39,] "North_Dutch"             "22.559" 
[40,] "Tatar"                   "23.0466"
[41,] "Southeast_English"       "23.113" 
[42,] "Norwegian"               "23.3469"
[43,] "Albanian"                "23.5209"
[44,] "Erzya"                   "23.6972"
[45,] "East_Finnish"            "23.7321"
[46,] "Latvian1"                "23.7902"
[47,] "Lithuanian"              "23.8096"
[48,] "Orcadian"                "24.0635"
[49,] "Irish"                   "25.3048"
[50,] "Southwest_English"       "25.371" 
[51,] "La_Brana-1"              "25.861" 
[52,] "North_Italian"           "25.8987"
[53,] "Spanish_Galicia"         "26.0319"
[54,] "Portuguese"              "26.2783"
[55,] "West_Scottish"           "26.301" 
[56,] "Spanish_Cataluna"        "26.5792"
[57,] "Greek_Thessaly"          "26.9651"
[58,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "27.5993"
[59,] "Spanish_Extremadura"     "28.242" 
[60,] "Southwest_French"        "28.2428"

Code:

         k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0.52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=100,mixedmode=T)
               [,1]                                         [,2]    
          [1,] "6.8% Polish + 93.2% Slovenian"              "0.4042"
          [2,] "90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% South_Polish"        "0.426" 
          [3,] "4.5% Estonian + 95.5% Slovenian"            "0.4358"
          [4,] "6.1% Cossack_Kuban2 + 93.9% Slovenian"      "0.4616"
          [5,] "4.1% Lithuanian + 95.9% Slovenian"          "0.4794"
          [6,] "4.1% Latvian1 + 95.9% Slovenian"            "0.4814"
          [7,] "5.3% Russian_Smolensk + 94.7% Slovenian"    "0.5191"
          [8,] "13.6% Czech + 86.4% Slovenian"              "0.534" 
          [9,] "4.3% Finnish + 95.7% Slovenian"             "0.5384"
         [10,] "92.3% Slovenian + 7.7% Ukrainian"           "0.5388"
         [11,] "5% Belorussian + 95% Slovenian"             "0.5417"
         [12,] "5.1% Estonian_Polish + 94.9% Slovenian"     "0.5493"
         [13,] "3.9% East_Finnish + 96.1% Slovenian"        "0.5777"
         [14,] "91.8% Slovenian + 8.2% Ukrainian_Lviv"      "0.5803"
         [15,] "95.2% Slovenian + 4.8% Southwest_Finnish"   "0.6098"
         [16,] "4.2% Kargopol_Russian + 95.8% Slovenian"    "0.6469"
         [17,] "94.8% Slovenian + 5.2% Southwest_Russian"   "0.6673"
         [18,] "95% Slovenian + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "0.6675"
         [19,] "10.8% Slovakian1 + 89.2% Slovenian"         "0.7003"
         [20,] "28.4% North_Italian + 71.6% South_Polish"   "0.7161"
         [21,] "5.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 94.6% Slovenian" "0.73"  
         [22,] "3.4% Erzya + 96.6% Slovenian"               "0.7424"
         [23,] "1.1% Baltic + 98.9% Slovenian"              "0.7757"
         [24,] "3% La_Brana-1 + 97% Slovenian"              "0.8015"
         [25,] "3.4% North_Swedish + 96.6% Slovenian"       "0.9005"
         [26,] "12.4% Croatian + 87.6% Slovenian"           "0.9308"
         [27,] "1.5% Chuvash + 98.5% Slovenian"             "1.0113"
         [28,] "5.3% East_German + 94.7% Slovenian"         "1.0378"
         [29,] "1.1% Mari + 98.9% Slovenian"                "1.0452"
         [30,] "98.1% Slovenian + 1.9% Swedish"             "1.0453"
         [31,] "1.2% Norwegian + 98.8% Slovenian"           "1.0869"
         [32,] "98.8% Slovenian + 1.2% Tatar"               "1.0905"
         [33,] "0.9% North_German + 99.1% Slovenian"        "1.112" 
         [34,] "0.7% North_Dutch + 99.3% Slovenian"         "1.1128"
         [35,] "0.7% Danish + 99.3% Slovenian"              "1.1136"
         [36,] "1.7% JosephK + 98.3% Slovenian"             "1.1171"
         [37,] "0.4% Irish + 99.6% Slovenian"               "1.12"  
         [38,] "0.4% Orcadian + 99.6% Slovenian"            "1.1208"
         [39,] "2.2% Hungarian + 97.8% Slovenian"           "1.1219"
         [40,] "99.7% Slovenian + 0.3% West_Scottish"       "1.1219"
         [41,] "0.8% Austrian + 99.2% Slovenian"            "1.1231"
         [42,] "0% Selkup + 100% Slovenian"                 "1.1244"

**CommonSense** · 11-05-2019, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

There are Croats from Dalmatia who cluster with Bulgarians, so...
Bosnia is probably very genetically diverse. Lot of Montenegrin ancestry in BiH. They are from all over, especially muslims but not only them.
Enough to compare Bosniensis and Vlatko Vuković results, both Bosniaks and both very different.

I have lot of Serbian matches on gedmatch who plot with Romanians and Bulgarians, but I am not posting them because other than surnames I don't know their ancestry.

I'm not saying it's impossible, every region has outlier samples. The issue here is that we have both: a) an 'unreliable narrator' and b) results that are out of the norm
So it doesn't make sense that we rush to conclude that her mom is 'fully Bosnian Serb'.

**Jana** · 11-05-2019, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

I'm not saying it's impossible, every region has outlier samples. The issue here is that we have both: a) an 'unreliable narrator' and b) results that are out of the norm
So it doesn't make sense that we rush to conclude that her mom is 'fully Bosnian Serb'.

I know, but on the other hand when Pribislav posts Serbs clustering with Hungarians and Croats he is quick to declare them typical for their region, and very pure

**CommonSense** · 11-05-2019, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

I know, but on the other hand when Pribislav posts Serbs clustering with Hungarians and Croats he is quick to declare them typical for their region, and very pure

You know very well I find those results just as suspicious. I'm referring to the 'batch' that was posted here about 10 days ago.

**Lemgrant** · 11-05-2019, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Slovenian average based on 15 academic samples plus a custom oracle by @Lemgrant

Code:

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.52
2 North_Atlantic 30.62
3 West_Med 15.36
4 East_Med 9.96
5 West_Asian 6.83
6 Red_Sea 1.23
7 South_Asian 0.64
8 Siberian 0.52
9 Amerindian 0.48
10 Oceanian 0.29
11 East_Asian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.2
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Code:

k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0.52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=60)
      [,1]                      [,2]     
 [1,] "Slovenian"               "1.1248" 
 [2,] "Hungarian"               "3.768"  
 [3,] "Croatian"                "4.566"  
 [4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1"     "6.1451" 
 [5,] "Czech"                   "6.3378" 
 [6,] "SerbianBosnia"           "6.6926" 
 [7,] "Moldavian"               "6.9912" 
 [8,] "Slovakian1"              "7.3225" 
 [9,] "Austrian"                "7.8101" 
[10,] "East_German"             "7.845"  
[11,] "JosephK"                 "7.8646" 
[12,] "Serbian"                 "9.5774" 
[13,] "South_Polish"            "10.3029"
[14,] "Ukrainian_Lviv"          "10.735" 
[15,] "Ukrainian"               "11.897" 
[16,] "Polish"                  "14.4507"
[17,] "Romanian"                "14.4795"
[18,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1"     "15.1244"
[19,] "Cossack_Kuban2"          "15.8825"
[20,] "Southwest_Russian"       "16.6498"
[21,] "West_German"             "16.8038"
[22,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "17.1445"
[23,] "Bulgarian"               "17.453" 
[24,] "Russian_Smolensk"        "17.6887"
[25,] "South_Dutch"             "18.1896"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish"         "18.2569"
[27,] "North_Macedonian"        "18.3285"
[28,] "Belorussian"             "18.6702"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish"       "18.7205"
[30,] "North_Swedish"           "19.0076"
[31,] "North_German"            "19.2578"
[32,] "French"                  "20.6012"
[33,] "Kargopol_Russian"        "20.7778"
[34,] "Swedish"                 "21.0207"
[35,] "Finnish"                 "21.8655"
[36,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey"     "22.0855"
[37,] "Estonian"                "22.1127"
[38,] "Danish"                  "22.2121"
[39,] "North_Dutch"             "22.559" 
[40,] "Tatar"                   "23.0466"
[41,] "Southeast_English"       "23.113" 
[42,] "Norwegian"               "23.3469"
[43,] "Albanian"                "23.5209"
[44,] "Erzya"                   "23.6972"
[45,] "East_Finnish"            "23.7321"
[46,] "Latvian1"                "23.7902"
[47,] "Lithuanian"              "23.8096"
[48,] "Orcadian"                "24.0635"
[49,] "Irish"                   "25.3048"
[50,] "Southwest_English"       "25.371" 
[51,] "La_Brana-1"              "25.861" 
[52,] "North_Italian"           "25.8987"
[53,] "Spanish_Galicia"         "26.0319"
[54,] "Portuguese"              "26.2783"
[55,] "West_Scottish"           "26.301" 
[56,] "Spanish_Cataluna"        "26.5792"
[57,] "Greek_Thessaly"          "26.9651"
[58,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "27.5993"
[59,] "Spanish_Extremadura"     "28.242" 
[60,] "Southwest_French"        "28.2428"

Code:

         k13(c(30.62,33.52,15.36,6.83,9.96,1.23,0.64,0.28,0.52,0.48,0.29,0.2,0.07),k=100,mixedmode=T)
               [,1]                                         [,2]    
          [1,] "6.8% Polish + 93.2% Slovenian"              "0.4042"
          [2,] "90.8% Slovenian + 9.2% South_Polish"        "0.426" 
          [3,] "4.5% Estonian + 95.5% Slovenian"            "0.4358"
          [4,] "6.1% Cossack_Kuban2 + 93.9% Slovenian"      "0.4616"
          [5,] "4.1% Lithuanian + 95.9% Slovenian"          "0.4794"
          [6,] "4.1% Latvian1 + 95.9% Slovenian"            "0.4814"
          [7,] "5.3% Russian_Smolensk + 94.7% Slovenian"    "0.5191"
          [8,] "13.6% Czech + 86.4% Slovenian"              "0.534" 
          [9,] "4.3% Finnish + 95.7% Slovenian"             "0.5384"
         [10,] "92.3% Slovenian + 7.7% Ukrainian"           "0.5388"
         [11,] "5% Belorussian + 95% Slovenian"             "0.5417"
         [12,] "5.1% Estonian_Polish + 94.9% Slovenian"     "0.5493"
         [13,] "3.9% East_Finnish + 96.1% Slovenian"        "0.5777"
         [14,] "91.8% Slovenian + 8.2% Ukrainian_Lviv"      "0.5803"
         [15,] "95.2% Slovenian + 4.8% Southwest_Finnish"   "0.6098"
         [16,] "4.2% Kargopol_Russian + 95.8% Slovenian"    "0.6469"
         [17,] "94.8% Slovenian + 5.2% Southwest_Russian"   "0.6673"
         [18,] "95% Slovenian + 5% Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "0.6675"
         [19,] "10.8% Slovakian1 + 89.2% Slovenian"         "0.7003"
         [20,] "28.4% North_Italian + 71.6% South_Polish"   "0.7161"
         [21,] "5.4% Cossack_Zaporozhie1 + 94.6% Slovenian" "0.73"  
         [22,] "3.4% Erzya + 96.6% Slovenian"               "0.7424"
         [23,] "1.1% Baltic + 98.9% Slovenian"              "0.7757"
         [24,] "3% La_Brana-1 + 97% Slovenian"              "0.8015"
         [25,] "3.4% North_Swedish + 96.6% Slovenian"       "0.9005"
         [26,] "12.4% Croatian + 87.6% Slovenian"           "0.9308"
         [27,] "1.5% Chuvash + 98.5% Slovenian"             "1.0113"
         [28,] "5.3% East_German + 94.7% Slovenian"         "1.0378"
         [29,] "1.1% Mari + 98.9% Slovenian"                "1.0452"
         [30,] "98.1% Slovenian + 1.9% Swedish"             "1.0453"
         [31,] "1.2% Norwegian + 98.8% Slovenian"           "1.0869"
         [32,] "98.8% Slovenian + 1.2% Tatar"               "1.0905"
         [33,] "0.9% North_German + 99.1% Slovenian"        "1.112" 
         [34,] "0.7% North_Dutch + 99.3% Slovenian"         "1.1128"
         [35,] "0.7% Danish + 99.3% Slovenian"              "1.1136"
         [36,] "1.7% JosephK + 98.3% Slovenian"             "1.1171"
         [37,] "0.4% Irish + 99.6% Slovenian"               "1.12"  
         [38,] "0.4% Orcadian + 99.6% Slovenian"            "1.1208"
         [39,] "2.2% Hungarian + 97.8% Slovenian"           "1.1219"
         [40,] "99.7% Slovenian + 0.3% West_Scottish"       "1.1219"
         [41,] "0.8% Austrian + 99.2% Slovenian"            "1.1231"
         [42,] "0% Selkup + 100% Slovenian"                 "1.1244"

if you wanted to see the oracle for the Slovenian reference, then it's done differently. I used 11 Slovenian samples, you 15, that's why it doesn't show 100% Slovenian in the first position.
If you want to see the oracle for average Slovenian, Hungarian, Ukrainian etc. reference, then one must use the exact average values.

this is for example oracle for the average Slovenian reference:

Code:

k13(c('Slovenian'),k=100,mixedmode=T)
       [,1]                                                         [,2]    
  [1,] "Slovenian"                                                  "0"     
  [2,] "31.2% North_Italian + 68.8% South_Polish"                   "0.9256"
  [3,] "24.3% Albanian + 75.7% Czech"                               "1.24"  
  [4,] "80.2% Croatian + 19.8% French"                              "1.2594"
  [5,] "41.8% East_German + 58.2% SerbianBosnia"                    "1.2791"
  [6,] "70.6% Czech + 29.4% North_Macedonian"                       "1.3458"
  [7,] "42.8% North_Italian + 57.2% Russian_Smolensk"               "1.4778"
  [8,] "84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Spanish_Cataluna"                    "1.5278"
  [9,] "78.4% Czech + 21.6% Greek_Thessaly"                         "1.5472"
 [10,] "38.3% North_Italian + 61.7% Polish"                         "1.6075"
 [11,] "71.6% South_Polish + 28.4% Tuscan"                          "1.6657"
 [12,] "85.3% Croatian + 14.7% Spanish_Valencia"                    "1.7137"
 [13,] "86.9% Croatian + 13.1% Spanish_Aragon"                      "1.7414"
 [14,] "84.8% Croatian + 15.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon"             "1.7472"
 [15,] "85.5% Croatian + 14.5% Spanish_Murcia"                      "1.7636"
 [16,] "64.7% Polish + 35.3% Tuscan"                                "1.7894"
 [17,] "84.5% Czech + 15.5% South_Italian"                          "1.7961"
 [18,] "17.3% Central_Greek + 82.7% Czech"                          "1.8138"
 [19,] "54.3% Czech + 45.7% Serbian"                                "1.8164"
 [20,] "65.4% Czech + 34.6% Romanian"                               "1.827" 
 [21,] "50.1% Lithuanian + 49.9% North_Italian"                     "1.8425"
 [22,] "82.6% Czech + 17.4% West_Sicilian"                          "1.8642"
 [23,] "83.3% Czech + 16.7% East_Sicilian"                          "1.8822"
 [24,] "84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Portuguese"                          "1.8979"
 [25,] "30.1% Bulgarian + 69.9% Czech"                              "1.8999"
 [26,] "86% Croatian + 14% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha"              "1.9148"
 [27,] "84.3% Czech + 15.7% Maltese"                                "1.9208"
 [28,] "77.6% Croatian + 22.4% West_German"                         "1.9608"
 [29,] "85.7% Croatian + 14.3% Spanish_Cantabria"                   "1.9837"
 [30,] "13.6% Algerian_Jewish + 86.4% Czech"                        "2.0006"
 [31,] "33.9% North_Italian + 66.1% Ukrainian"                      "2.0054"
 [32,] "79.2% Croatian + 20.8% South_Dutch"                         "2.0253"
 [33,] "79.2% SerbianBosnia + 20.8% Swedish"                        "2.0605"
 [34,] "84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Spanish_Galicia"                     "2.0651"
 [35,] "37.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 62.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod"         "2.0733"
 [36,] "39.1% Spanish_Valencia + 60.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod"          "2.0983"
 [37,] "55.9% Belorussian + 44.1% North_Italian"                    "2.1091"
 [38,] "85.5% Croatian + 14.5% Spanish_Extremadura"                 "2.1155"
 [39,] "86.4% Croatian + 13.6% Spanish_Andalucia"                   "2.118" 
 [40,] "85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Southwest_French"                    "2.1197"
 [41,] "86.3% Czech + 13.7% Greek_Symi_Island"                      "2.1215"
 [42,] "22.2% North_Swedish + 77.8% SerbianBosnia"                  "2.1226"
 [43,] "39.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 60.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod"       "2.1937"
 [44,] "44.3% Czech + 55.7% SerbianBosnia"                          "2.2064"
 [45,] "41.4% Portuguese + 58.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod"                "2.2253"
 [46,] "56.5% Estonian_Polish + 43.5% North_Italian"                "2.2267"
 [47,] "38.9% Spanish_Murcia + 61.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod"            "2.2451"
 [48,] "65.4% Hungarian + 34.6% SerbianBosnia"                      "2.2452"
 [49,] "86.5% Czech + 13.5% Italian_Jewish"                         "2.2595"
 [50,] "82.2% Czech + 17.8% Italian_Abruzzo"                        "2.2672"
 [51,] "80.3% Czech + 19.7% Tuscan"                                 "2.2895"
 [52,] "86.5% Czech + 13.5% Greek_Chios1"                           "2.2929"
 [53,] "90.1% Croatian + 9.9% French_Basque"                        "2.3121"
 [54,] "63% Southwest_Russian + 37% Spanish_Andalucia"              "2.3216"
 [55,] "31.6% North_Italian + 68.4% Ukrainian_Lviv"                 "2.3231"
 [56,] "42.4% Austrian + 57.6% SerbianBosnia"                       "2.3465"
 [57,] "37.8% Austrian + 62.2% Croatian"                            "2.4126"
 [58,] "82.4% Czech + 17.6% Greek_Andros_Island1"                   "2.4312"
 [59,] "46.5% Austrian + 53.5% Moldavian"                           "2.4321"
 [60,] "15.8% Ashkenazi + 84.2% Czech"                              "2.435" 
 [61,] "86.6% Czech + 13.4% Sephardic_Jewish"                       "2.4449"
 [62,] "61.1% Southwest_Russian + 38.9% Spanish_Extremadura"        "2.4463"
 [63,] "53.8% Croatian + 46.2% Hungarian_Budapest1"                 "2.451" 
 [64,] "86.3% Czech + 13.7% Moroccan_Jew"                           "2.4593"
 [65,] "18.7% Norwegian + 81.3% SerbianBosnia"                      "2.4667"
 [66,] "37.8% Croatian + 62.2% Hungarian"                           "2.4818"
 [67,] "76.1% Slovakian1 + 23.9% North_Italian"                     "2.4968"
 [68,] "83.6% Czech + 16.4% Greek_Crete1"                           "2.5348"
 [69,] "11.7% Cypriot + 88.3% Czech"                                "2.5402"
 [70,] "45% East_German + 55% Moldavian"                            "2.5797"
 [71,] "41.2% North_Italian + 58.8% Southwest_Russian"              "2.6184"
 [72,] "71.2% Hungarian + 28.8% Moldavian"                          "2.6387"
 [73,] "87.7% Czech + 12.3% Tunisian_Jewish"                        "2.6496"
 [74,] "87.7% Czech + 12.3% Libyan_Jewish"                          "2.6707"
 [75,] "41.9% North_Italian + 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod"             "2.6763"
 [76,] "84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Southeast_English"                   "2.6831"
 [77,] "55.4% Hungarian_Budapest1 + 44.6% Moldavian"                "2.6895"
 [78,] "40.6% Portuguese + 59.4% Southwest_Russian"                 "2.7083"
 [79,] "61.6% Southwest_Russian + 38.4% Spanish_Valencia"           "2.7268"
 [80,] "61.8% Southwest_Russian + 38.2% Spanish_Murcia"             "2.7472"
 [81,] "21.6% North_German + 78.4% SerbianBosnia"                   "2.7587"
 [82,] "55.1% Estonian + 44.9% Tuscan"                              "2.7699"
 [83,] "41% Spanish_Cataluna + 59% Ukrainian_Belgorod"              "2.7821"
 [84,] "50.1% Latvian1 + 49.9% North_Italian"                       "2.8134"
 [85,] "85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Southwest_English"                   "2.8377"
 [86,] "38% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 62% Ukrainian_Belgorod"    "2.8395"
 [87,] "78.5% Moldavian + 21.5% Southeast_English"                  "2.8401"
 [88,] "18.8% North_Dutch + 81.2% SerbianBosnia"                    "2.8493"
 [89,] "85.4% Croatian + 14.6% North_Italian"                       "2.8768"
 [90,] "19% Danish + 81% SerbianBosnia"                             "2.8779"
 [91,] "40% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 60% Ukrainian_Belgorod"       "2.9223"
 [92,] "17% Irish + 83% SerbianBosnia"                              "2.9673"
 [93,] "41.5% Spanish_Galicia + 58.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod"           "2.9982"
 [94,] "95.9% Hungarian + 4.1% Sardinian"                           "3.0092"
 [95,] "59.8% Southwest_Russian + 40.2% Spanish_Cataluna"           "3.0163"
 [96,] "88.3% Czech + 11.7% Greek_Central_Anatolia"                 "3.03"  
 [97,] "17.6% Orcadian + 82.4% SerbianBosnia"                       "3.0418"
 [98,] "78.8% Slovakian1 + 21.2% Tuscan"                            "3.0419"
 [99,] "89.8% Czech + 10.2% Samaritan"                              "3.0524"
[100,] "62.7% Southwest_Russian + 37.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "3.0819"

Code:

k13(c('Slovenian'),k=60)
      [,1]                      [,2]     
 [1,] "Slovenian"               "0"      
 [2,] "Hungarian"               "3.6779" 
 [3,] "Croatian"                "5.1016" 
 [4,] "Hungarian_Budapest1"     "5.7492" 
 [5,] "SerbianBosnia"           "5.9529" 
 [6,] "Moldavian"               "6.8705" 
 [7,] "Czech"                   "7.3052" 
 [8,] "Austrian"                "7.791"  
 [9,] "Slovakian1"              "8.1692" 
[10,] "East_German"             "8.2099" 
[11,] "Serbian"                 "8.5929" 
[12,] "South_Polish"            "11.3351"
[13,] "Ukrainian_Lviv"          "11.6828"
[14,] "Ukrainian"               "12.8722"
[15,] "Romanian"                "13.4972"
[16,] "Polish"                  "15.4948"
[17,] "Cossack_Zaporozhie1"     "15.9625"
[18,] "West_German"             "16.4596"
[19,] "Bulgarian"               "16.5108"
[20,] "Cossack_Kuban2"          "16.9016"
[21,] "North_Macedonian"        "17.2981"
[22,] "Southwest_Russian"       "17.542" 
[23,] "South_Dutch"             "17.91"  
[24,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod"      "18.0369"
[25,] "Russian_Smolensk"        "18.6789"
[26,] "Estonian_Polish"         "19.2302"
[27,] "North_German"            "19.3947"
[28,] "Belorussian"             "19.6481"
[29,] "Southwest_Finnish"       "19.6558"
[30,] "North_Swedish"           "19.6604"
[31,] "French"                  "20.0036"
[32,] "Turk_Bulgaria_Kuzey"     "21.2404"
[33,] "Swedish"                 "21.4102"
[34,] "Kargopol_Russian"        "21.6879"
[35,] "Danish"                  "22.3428"
[36,] "Albanian"                "22.4797"
[37,] "North_Dutch"             "22.6952"
[38,] "Finnish"                 "22.8465"
[39,] "Southeast_English"       "23.052" 
[40,] "Estonian"                "23.1453"
[41,] "Tatar"                   "23.2966"
[42,] "Norwegian"               "23.6113"
[43,] "Orcadian"                "24.1322"
[44,] "Erzya"                   "24.5306"
[45,] "East_Finnish"            "24.6902"
[46,] "Latvian1"                "24.8019"
[47,] "Lithuanian"              "24.8223"
[48,] "North_Italian"           "24.8868"
[49,] "Spanish_Galicia"         "25.2717"
[50,] "Southwest_English"       "25.3397"
[51,] "Irish"                   "25.3841"
[52,] "Portuguese"              "25.4678"
[53,] "Spanish_Cataluna"        "25.832" 
[54,] "Greek_Thessaly"          "25.9361"
[55,] "West_Scottish"           "26.3576"
[56,] "La_Brana-1"              "26.6378"
[57,] "Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon" "26.856" 
[58,] "Spanish_Extremadura"     "27.4175"
[59,] "Southwest_French"        "27.6561"
[60,] "Spanish_Valencia"        "27.9494"

**Seya** · 11-05-2019, 04:38 PM

i don't think "outliers" should be excluded. we still have very few samples to exclude any. if we would have at least 1 million tested people then it would make sense but we barely have...how may? probably a few hundreds at max..probably less. we need all the samples to be able to have a realistic view of the genetic make-up of a country...maybe with time other similar results will come but we have nothing to compare them with cose we cut them off already and those people will always end up as outliners.
an ethnicity is always chaging, today it's not the same as hundreds of years ago due to migrations and mixing. an ethnicity is in a countinuous change..we don't live in tribes anymore, we're not all blood related. we're related by other stuff today, like culture/religion, history and language. we need to find the current genetic composition of each ethnic group.

**Jana** · 11-05-2019, 04:39 PM

^^^^Based on this average Slovenes are like Czechs with one Albanian grandparent, or like Croats with 20% French

**Seya** · 11-05-2019, 04:42 PM

..or most moldovians are serbians in disguise

**Jana** · 11-05-2019, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Seya

i don't think "outliers" should be excluded. we still have very few samples to exclude any. if we would have at least 1 million tested people then it would make sense but we barely have...how may? probably a few hundreds at max..probably less. we need all the samples to be able to have a realistic view of the genetic make-up of a country...maybe with time other similar results will come but we have nothing to compare them with cose we cut them off already and those people will always end up as outliners.
an ethnicity is always chaging, today it's not the same as hundreds of years ago due to migrations and mixing. an ethnicity is in a countinuous change..we don't live in tribes anymore, we're not all blood related. we're related by other stuff today, like culture/religion, history and language. we need to find the current genetic composition of each ethnic group.

Agree. Very well said. For example I doubt modern Croats were identical to Croats living just 100 years ago. That can work for many other ethnicities.