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[Enr1989]

Do you guys mean Italians have shifted seriously to the South in the last 100 years or so?

It has been mass migration from Southern Italy to the North from the late 60s to nowadays especially to the historically wealthier North West, you will not find 4/4 in big Northern Italians city, still some enclaves in the country side but also there many people have one or two southern Grandparent /Parent.
So to answer your question yes, Italy has been southernize , also culturally.

[Leto]

It has been mass migration from Southern Italy to the North from the late 60s to nowadays especially to the historically wealthier North West, you will not find 4/4 in big Northern Italians city, still some enclaves in the country side but also there many people have one or two southern Grandparent /Parent.

Prolly those people would plot around Rome, Florence or Bologna (my guess).

[Token]

It has been mass migration from Southern Italy to the North from the late 60s to nowadays especially to the historically wealthier North West, you will not find 4/4 in big Northern Italians city, still some enclaves in the country side but also there many people have one or two southern Grandparent /Parent.
So to answer your question yes, Italy has been southernize , also culturally.

Italo-Brazilians are descended from pre 60s North Italians and they plot just like regular North Italians.

[Samnium]

Prolly those people would plot around Rome, Florence or Bologna (my guess).

Depends on both side I think.

IMO N.Italian + S.Italian (I would say like Sicilians) = Central Italian as you said
From France to North + S.Italian = N.Italian or even more northern

That's my guesses.

A person on Anthrogenica had sent the result of an half ligurian half sicilian, he come between Lazio and Tuscany if I recall

[Adamastor]

Depends on both side I think.

IMO N.Italian + S.Italian (I would say like Sicilians) = Central Italian as you said
From France to North + S.Italian = N.Italian

That's my guesses.

A person on Anthrogenica had sent the result of an half ligurian half sicilian, he come between Lazio and Tuscany if I recall

I'm 70% North Italian, 20% Portuguese and 10% South Italian and I generally plot with Swiss Italians, Northwestern Italians and Southern French depending on the calculator.

But I guess 10% South Italian isn't enough to shift me east given that the remaining 90% is SW European with some north-shift since part of my North Italian ancestors were actually German speaking Tyroleans from Bolzano region.

[Samnium]

I'm 70% North Italian, 20% Portuguese and 10% South Italian and I generally plot with Swiss Italians, Northwestern Italians and Southern French depending on the calculator.

But I guess 10% South Italian isn't enough to shift me east given that the remaining 90% is SW European with some north-shift since part of my North Italian ancestors were actually German speaking Tyroleans from Bolzano region.

Interesting. I saw that you plot a little bit northern than the N.Italian reference (like 3 something like that).

Which region of S.Italy ?

[Leto]

Depends on both side I think.

IMO N.Italian + S.Italian (I would say like Sicilians) = Central Italian as you said
From France to North + S.Italian = N.Italian

That's my guesses.

A person on Anthrogenica had sent the result of an half ligurian half sicilian, he come between Lazio and Tuscany if I recall

Are people with Sardinian roots rare in mainland Italy?

[Samnium]

Are people with Sardinian roots rare in mainland Italy?

Not common I think. But actually people can score Sardinian in their DNA results (like 23andme) don't know if it's the algorithm that gives Sardinian where there isn't sardinian ancestry...

[Adamastor]

Interesting. I saw that you plot a little bit northern than the N.Italian reference (like 3 something like that).

Which region of S.Italy ?

My great-grandmother was half Apulian and had a Calabrian great-grandfather. Her other grandmother was Venetian.

So it makes me around 6.12% Apulian and around 3% Calabrian. My Calabrian ancestor was from Bova, southern Calabria, so likely very Middle Eastern shifted but I don't show any Middle Eastern in autosomal since it's a very small ancestry.

MDLP K16 gives me this:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.46
2 Caucasian 21.26
3 Steppe 20.75
4 NorthEastEuropean 20.61
5 NorthAfrican 1.5
6 NearEast 0.98
7 Indian 0.71
8 Oceanic 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (Switzerland) 2.81
2 Italian (Friul) 3.54
3 Portuguese (Portugal) 5.17
4 Provencal (Provence) 5.47
5 Italian (NorthIitaly) 5.53
6 Corsican (Corsica) 6.46
7 Austrian (Austria) 6.76
8 German (SouthGermany) 7.09
9 Spanish (Spain) 7.26
10 Spanish (Baleares) 7.57
11 Romanian (Romania) 7.59
12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.88
13 Italian (Bergamo) 7.94
14 French (NorthwestFrance) 8.1
15 Spanish (Extremadura) 8.15
16 French (EastFrance) 8.28
17 Romanian (Apuseni) 8.34
18 Jew (Belmonte) 8.38
19 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 8.41
20 Italian (Tuscany) 8.71

[Samnium]

My great-grandmother was half Apulian and had a Calabrian great-grandfather. Her other grandmother was Venetian.

So it makes me around 6.12% Apulian and around 3% Calabrian. My Calabrian ancestor was from Bova, southern Calabria, so likely very Middle Eastern shifted but I don't show any Middle Eastern in autosomal since it's a very small ancestry.

MDLP K16 gives me this:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 31.46
2 Caucasian 21.26
3 Steppe 20.75
4 NorthEastEuropean 20.61
5 NorthAfrican 1.5
6 NearEast 0.98
7 Indian 0.71
8 Oceanic 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swiss (Switzerland) 2.81
2 Italian (Friul) 3.54
3 Portuguese (Portugal) 5.17
4 Provencal (Provence) 5.47
5 Italian (NorthIitaly) 5.53
6 Corsican (Corsica) 6.46
7 Austrian (Austria) 6.76
8 German (SouthGermany) 7.09
9 Spanish (Spain) 7.26
10 Spanish (Baleares) 7.57
11 Romanian (Romania) 7.59
12 Romanian (Gorj) 7.88
13 Italian (Bergamo) 7.94
14 French (NorthwestFrance) 8.1
15 Spanish (Extremadura) 8.15
16 French (EastFrance) 8.28
17 Romanian (Apuseni) 8.34
18 Jew (Belmonte) 8.38
19 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 8.41
20 Italian (Tuscany) 8.71

Bova, hum, Aspromonte ! Yes Reggio Calabria is extremely east-shifted but I tend to say not as Vibo that's even more outlying.