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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    I have match with two of them new baguette boys, pretty far distance tho.

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    All the Gallic/Celtic element is completely gone for my mother
    Did it happen to someone else?

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    You got one of the Kilteasheen samples (at a large distance but still one of them showed up). I did not get any of the Kilteasheen samples with any of my kits. The samples are from Roscommon which is were my father is from so I was surprised I did not get one of these samples in my list. I asked MTA about the sample and this was their reply.

    The samples are from this paper:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-28091-9

    The 3 samples we added are from a graveyard with bodies dating 600 to 1300 AD and have a closest link to modern Irish - but with some distance. They seem much closer to ancient samples which makes one suspect modern Irish have changed since. This could be due to Viking invasions or some other migrations. These samples were pulled as part of a control experiment of people over many centuries from the same graveyard making it tricky to pinpoint an exact date or background. There have been numerous digs in this area but they have focused on say black death victims. Hope this helps!
    The Irish Brigade's battle cry at Fontenoy, "Cuimhnigí ar Luimneach agus ar feall na Sasanaigh," translates to "Remember Limerick and the treachery of the English." After seeing the devastation caused by the Irish Brigade, the Duke of Cumberland reportedly remarked, "God curse the laws that made those men our enemies".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    You got one of the Kilteasheen samples (at a large distance but still one of them showed up). I did not get any of the Kilteasheen samples with any of my kits. The samples are from Roscommon which is were my father is from so I was surprised I did not get one of these samples in my list. I asked MTA about the sample and this was their reply.

    The samples are from this paper:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-28091-9

    The 3 samples we added are from a graveyard with bodies dating 600 to 1300 AD and have a closest link to modern Irish - but with some distance. They seem much closer to ancient samples which makes one suspect modern Irish have changed since. This could be due to Viking invasions or some other migrations. These samples were pulled as part of a control experiment of people over many centuries from the same graveyard making it tricky to pinpoint an exact date or background. There have been numerous digs in this area but they have focused on say black death victims. Hope this helps!
    76. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) ..... 17.48 - KT09
    mtDNA: K1a4a1

    Celt + Frank (12.58)
    Celt (12.92)
    Viking Danish + Celt (13.06)
    Frank (15.94)
    Viking Danish (15.98)

    Similar Samples
    Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.06)
    Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) (11.3)
    Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) (11.31)
    Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.63)
    Early Bronze Age Plymouth (1840 BC) (11.75)

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    1. South_Dutch (14.12)
    2. French (15.36)
    3. Southwest_English (15.44)
    4. Southeast_English (15.76)
    5. Southwest_French (16.56)
    6. Spanish_Cantabria (16.86)
    7. Irish (16.92)
    8. Spanish_Cataluna (16.98)

    In ftdna I got these matches:





    This is someone from Fermanagh is relatively close to where your father is and found the remains.

    I also have a match with someone from Scotland I came to know that they are from U.S.A. and they are very rich people, but they have hidden data, which I don't understand because it hinders research for others.
    Last edited by Gallop; 11-11-2019 at 01:27 PM.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY7449/
    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Bell Beaker

    More recent analyses of the "Beaker phenomenon", published since the 2000s, have persisted in describing the origin of the "Beaker phenomenon" as arising from a synthesis of elements, representing "an idea and style uniting different regions with different cultural traditions and background."Archaeogenetics studies of the 2010s have been able to resolve the "migrationist vs. diffusionist" question to some extent. The study by Olalde et al. (2017) found only "limited genetic affinity" between individuals associated with the Beaker complex in Iberia and in Central Europe, suggesting that migration played a limited role in its early spread. However, the same study found that the further dissemination of the mature Beaker complex was very strongly linked to migration. This is true especially for Britain, where the spread of the Beaker culture introduced high levels of steppe-related ancestry, resulting in a near-complete transformation of the local gene pool within a few centuries, to the point of replacement of about 90% of the local Mesolithic-derived lineages.

    Migration vs. acculturation
    Given the unusual form and fabric of Beaker pottery, and its abrupt appearance in the archaeological record, along with a characteristic group of other artefacts, known as the Bell Beaker "package", the explanation for the Beaker culture until the last decades of the 20th century was to interpret it as the migration of one group of people across Europe. However, British and American archaeology since the 1960s had been sceptical about prehistoric migration in general, so the idea of "Bell Beaker Folk" lost ground, although recent genetic findings lend renewed support to the migratory hypothesis. A theory of cultural contact de-emphasizing population movement was presented by Colin Burgess and Stephen Shennan in the mid-1970s
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    My results Bell Beaker and related.






    Last edited by Gallop; 11-11-2019 at 09:22 PM.
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    E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallop View Post
    76. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) ..... 17.48 - KT09
    mtDNA: K1a4a1

    Celt + Frank (12.58)
    Celt (12.92)
    Viking Danish + Celt (13.06)
    Frank (15.94)
    Viking Danish (15.98)

    Similar Samples
    Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.06)
    Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen (950 AD) (11.3)
    Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) (11.31)
    Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.63)
    Early Bronze Age Plymouth (1840 BC) (11.75)

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    2. French (15.36)
    3. Southwest_English (15.44)
    4. Southeast_English (15.76)
    5. Southwest_French (16.56)
    6. Spanish_Cantabria (16.86)
    7. Irish (16.92)
    8. Spanish_Cataluna (16.98)

    In ftdna I got these matches:





    This is someone from Fermanagh is relatively close to where your father is and found the remains.

    I also have a match with someone from Scotland I came to know that they are from U.S.A. and they are very rich people, but they have hidden data, which I don't understand because it hinders research for others.
    The Kilteasheen samples are bad quality I've heard from someone in the know. Will have to wait until the Cassidy paper to get some more Irish samples.
    The Irish Brigade's battle cry at Fontenoy, "Cuimhnigí ar Luimneach agus ar feall na Sasanaigh," translates to "Remember Limerick and the treachery of the English." After seeing the devastation caused by the Irish Brigade, the Duke of Cumberland reportedly remarked, "God curse the laws that made those men our enemies".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    The Kilteasheen samples are bad quality I've heard from someone in the know. Will have to wait until the Cassidy paper to get some more Irish samples.

    It is the question of old samples. Based on 100 examples, he knows that some enter and others leave, but those who leave are not seen on the list but remain. On other occasions he had already obtained results with the British Isles: Bell Beaker England, Bell Beaker Scotland, Saxon Settler Viking, Iceland Briton Gladiator are distances of 20, 23 and have been disappearing from the list as they entered other samples from which he obtained Closer results, we don't know what would happen if the samples were better. Actually when I started in all this I did not know what could come or expected anything, I imagine that as anyone, you really only hope to see what appears and then you learn.
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    According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.

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    How are people getting these updates? I refreshed mine like 2 times and none of the new added samples are listed.

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