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Nope, because White Serbs mixed with local Paleo-Balkan peoples when they moved to Serbia.
This model based on G25 shows that it is possible to model Serbs as Sorb + native Balkan mix:
BGR_IA = Iron Age Bulgaria
HRV_IA = Iron Age Dalmatia
MDA = Moldova Cimmerians
No more than half of Serbian ancestry comes from a Sorb-like source. The rest is native Balkan.
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Is there a similar chart for Croatians, Slovenians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Hungarians?
Interesting, although it's kinda hard to grasp the idea that hundreds of thousands of Sorbs moved to Bosnia/Serbia and intermixed with the Illyrians there to a 50/50 extent.
There were 100,000 Sorbs in Lusatia in 1900, and there are less than 100,000 today. Even assuming that Sorbs were much more prevalent back then, it just doesn't seem possible that they were so extensive to be able to send that many people to the Balkans and intermix with them to such an extent.
Is it possible to make a different model such that Sorbs are the ones that have 50% Serb admixture, along with some Germanic component? That would be much more fitting with their population sizes.
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Well, I suppose that in reality only some of "Northern Slavic" DNA in Serbia is from Sorbs.
The rest is from Slavs who crossed the Danube near the Black Sea a few centuries prior:
Menander Protector, fragments 47 and 48:
"About the fourth year of the reign of Caesar Tiberius Constantine, some hundred thousand Slavs broke into Thrace, and pillaged that and many other regions. As Greece was being laid waste by the Slavs, with trouble liable to flare up anywhere, and as Tiberius had at his disposal by no means sufficient forces to contain them, he sent a delegation to the Khagan of the Avars. (...)"
Procopius of Caesarea, "Historia Arcana", 18, 20-21:
"Illyria and all of Thrace, that is, from the Ionian Gulf to the suburbs of Constantinople, including Greece and the Chersonese, were overran by the Slavs, almost every year, from the time when Justinian took over the Roman Empire; and intolerable things they did to the inhabitants. For in each of these invasions, I estimate, more than two hundred thousand Romans were slain or enslaved, so that all this country became a desert like that of Scythia."
John of Ephesus "Historia Ecclesiastica", 6, 25:
"That same year, being the third after the death of emperor Justin, was famous also for the invasion of an accursed people, called Slavs, who overran the whole of Greece, and the lands of Thessaly, and all Thrace, and captured the cities, and took numerous forts, and devastated and burnt, and reduced the people to slavery, and made themselves masters of the whole country, and settled in it by main force, and dwelt in it as though it had been their own without fear. And four years have now elapsed, and still, because the king is engaged in the war with the Persians, and has sent all his forces to the East, they live at their ease in the land, and dwell in it, and spread themselves far and wide as far as God permits them, and ravage and burn and take captive. And to such an extent do they carry their ravages, that they've even ridden up to the outer wall of the city [Constantinople], and driven away all the king's herds of horses, many thousands in number, and whatever else they could find. And even to this day, being the year 584 AD, they still encamp and dwell there, and live in peace in the Roman territories, free from anxiety and fear, and lead captive and slay and burn: and they have grown rich in gold and silver, and herds of horses, and arms, and have learnt to fight better than the Romans, though at first they were but rude savages, who did not venture to shew themselves outside the woods and the coverts of the trees; and as for arms, they did not even know what they were, with the exception of two or three javelins or darts."
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All of those events were taking place long BEFORE the migration of White Serbs to Serbia.
Obviously those Slavs who broke into Thrace were ancestors of Bulgarians and Macedonians.
And partially they were ancestors of Serbs. White Serbs being the other part who came later.
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Serbs came from India and North Caucasus according to Kosovo Report Serbs on Youtube did you watch?
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Well, there were already Slavs in the Balkans since the Dark Ages(example the Vayunites tribe among others) but the only explanations for both tribes to share the same name is either the Sorbs/Serby imposed their name on the other Slavs when they migrated to the Balkans(the unknown archon was either Dervan's son or brother so they say, something to that effect I can't be bothered to look it up right now) like the Bulgarians did or the theory that all Slavs were called Serbs according to Jordanes. Which theory sounds more plausible to you?
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But those slavs are obviously different genetically from Sorbs, so it doesn't make sense to equate them. The 50% from your chart is from Lower Lusatia, so why would they share near exact genes with the Sclaveni who came in from the Bulgarian route
idk, if you ask me, the reason Sorbs cluster closer to Croats makes most sense if either
1. they split off from each other from a source population in northern Carpathia/west Ukraine
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2. the Sorbs are in actuality a result of "Croats" (who were a tribe of Serbs) moving north and forming their own coalition against the Franks
it would explain why you can find these types in Sorbian crowds frequently:
who look like they could pass as natives in Croatia
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