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[Roy]

In that case both Serbs and Croats have Iranic etymology. Their ruling elite and founders were Iranian Sarmatian tribes.

The word Haravat sounds unmistakably Iranic, and Serboi is a tribe. Coincidence? Maybe, but I don't see any other good theories out there.

Yeah ... but names are often just names slapped from one group into another, or only known from some other group who called these or another people with some terms, or even can evolve indepedently from each other just like some species can take identical forms despite being unrelated or only distantly related.

It is a shame that Early Medieval Slavs left so little in terms of literary work unlike Germanics or Finns (Kalevala). There was no literacy among them during those centuries.

[War Chef]

Yeah ... but names are often just names slapped from one group into another, or only known from some other group who called these or another people with some terms, or even can evolve indepedently from each other just like some species can take identical forms despite being unrelated or only distantly related.

It is a shame that Early Medieval Slavs left so little in terms of literary work unlike Germanics or Finns (Kalevala). There was no literacy among them during those centuries.

Yes it's all about the ruling elite. Just in case some of you have no idea how horse people operated, let me enlighten you.

Treasure of Nagyszentmiklós is a hoard of Gold found here:


One of the inscriptions on a gold bowl writes in Greek:

ΒΟΥΗΛΑ.ΖΟΑΠΑΝ.ΤΕΣΗ.ΔΥΓΕΤΟΙΓΗ.ΒΟΥΤΑΟΥΛ.ΖΩΑΠΑΝ.ΤΑΓΡΟ ΓΗ.ΗΤΖΙΓΗ.ΤΑΙΣΗ

(Transliteration: bouēla zoapan tesē dygetoigē boutaoul zōapan tagrogē ētzigē taisē)

"Jupan Buila [has] all rights, jupan Butaul [has the right of] entering [in] all towns"

[vbnetkhio]

Not all of eastern Bosnia has much to do with Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usora_(region)

Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary. It took its name from the river Usora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banate_of_S%C3%B3

The Banate of Só (Hungarian: Sói bánság or Sófölde) was an administrative unit (banate) on the southern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary between the 12th and the early 15th centuries. Appointed by the king, it was governed by a ban, who served as both administrative and military leader.

Usora i Soli are not Bosnian lands historically, let alone Serb.

that area is first mentioned as Serbian, Hungarians conquered it later.

The DAI mentions Destinikon as the first among the enumerated cities ("Destinikon, Tzernabouskeï, Megyretous, Dresneïk, Lesnik, Salines, Katera, Desnik") of "baptized Serbia"

Salines = modern day Tuzla

[Voyt]

Not all of eastern Bosnia has much to do with Serbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usora_(region)

Usora (Latin: Vozora, Hungarian: Ózora) was a semi-independent banate (Duchy) in medieval Bosnia and also an administrative division in Croatia in the union with Hungary. It took its name from the river Usora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banate_of_S%C3%B3

The Banate of Só (Hungarian: Sói bánság or Sófölde) was an administrative unit (banate) on the southern borders of the Kingdom of Hungary between the 12th and the early 15th centuries. Appointed by the king, it was governed by a ban, who served as both administrative and military leader.

Usora i Soli are not Bosnian lands historically, let alone Serb.

Is the notion that just because you are ruled by someone else, that you are not necessarily relinquishing your ethnicity to those rulers, somehow lost to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia..._(1422)-en.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...pansion-en.svg



Otherwise, Croats were common low-class Venetian rats, were common low-class Hungarian rats, were common low-class French rats, were common low-class Austrian rats, were common low-class Nazi rats.

Which, actually, I'm not even opposed to being the truth. Hell, if it required that Bosnian cowards were Crorats all along, I would perfectly be willing to have it be the case that Crorats relinquished their ratdom in favor of selling their ethnicity to the dirtiest power of each century

[Jana]

Is the notion that just because you are ruled by someone else, that you are not necessarily relinquishing your ethnicity to those rulers, somehow lost to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia..._(1422)-en.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdo...pansion-en.svg



Otherwise, Croats were common low-class Venetian rats, were common low-class Hungarian rats, were common low-class French rats, were common low-class Austrian rats, were common low-class Nazi rats.

Which, actually, I'm not even opposed to being the truth. Hell, if it required that Bosnian cowards were Crorats all along, I would perfectly be willing to have it be the case that Crorats relinquished their ratdom in favor of selling their ethnicity to the dirtiest power of each century

Didn't take long to reveal who you are, Serv?

[Voyt]

I don't deny that present day Bosnia west of Vrbas river was part of Croatia until 1102.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srb#Name

What about the town "Srb" ? Just a coincidence?

"According to Croat academic Petar Šimunović, etymology is that Srb is derived from the old Croatian verb "serbati" and denoting the spring of the river Una."

What a convoluted explanation of twists and turns just to arrive at the conclusion that "Serb" is a Croatian word all along

[Jana]

Did you ancestors ride out of Krajina on tractors, little one?

[Voyt]

Didn't take long to reveal who you are, Serv?

My father's name is Hungarian derived actually, and my mother's side is "Croatian", but somehow their families were tied to a Serbian identity for centuries. I think they were given land during Hapsburg times and just intermingled with the local Serbs over time. I'm guessing they preferred being on Serbian people's side for some reason (maybe because they could tell that Croats were sold-off souls (prodane duse) ever since the beginning. Personally, I don't really care for south slavic politics that much; I just wish things would go back to pagan times, instead of all these corrupt alliances due to greed and christian bureaucracy.

[Jana]

My father's name is Hungarian derived actually, and my mother's side is "Croatian", but somehow their families were tied to a Serbian identity for centuries. I think they were given land during Hapsburg times and just intermingled with the local Serbs over time. I'm guessing they preferred being on Serbian people's side for some reason (maybe because they could tell that Croats were sold-off souls (prodane duse) ever since the beginning. Personally, I don't really care for south slavic politics that much; I just wish things would go back to pagan times, instead of all these corrupt alliances due to greed and christian bureaucracy.

You are just Ameri-rat, not a Croat that's for sure. Stay where you are.

[vbnetkhio]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srb#Name

What about the town "Srb" ? Just a coincidence?

"According to Croat academic Petar Šimunović, etymology is that Srb is derived from the old Croatian verb "serbati" and denoting the spring of the river Una."

What a convoluted explanation of twists and turns just to arrive at the conclusion that "Serb" is a Croatian word all along

ethnic Toponyms and ethnic surnames in 90% cases appear in places where that ethnicity is not in majority, but surrounded by other ethnicities.

think about it, why would a town be named Srb in the middle of Serbian territory.