South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

**Pribislav** · 12-01-2019, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dušan

Yeah, I was talking in terms of southern-northern. Exactly.

Something like this Banija Serb.

**Jana** · 12-01-2019, 01:37 AM

To sum it up, whoever doesn't get North Italian/Iberian/Tuscan modeling for his Vlach side, Croat of Serb, isn't native here.

**Pribislav** · 12-01-2019, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Dušan, a western Serb, cluster like a full Moldovan, not like a western shifted Moldovan. His Vlach part is Greek like, thus Thracian.
Good proof of the fact western Serbs are not native population of Croatia.

Dušan is not typical for Krajina Serbs, because of his eastern ploting. Vast majority of Krajina Serbs are more western than Serbian average, often more western even than Croatian average.

If I remember well one Banija Croatian ploting wery eastern. On the other hand Banija Serbd are quite western shifted.

**Jana** · 12-01-2019, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Dušan is atypical, because of his eastern ploting. Vast majority of Krajina Serbs are more western than Serbian average, often more western even than Croatian average.

If I remember well one Banija Croatian ploting wery eastern. On the other hand Banija Serbd are quite western shifted.

Doesn't matter, PCA is irrelevant. They can be west shifted because of Germanic/Celtic influence, which is also foreign except Celtic for NW Croatia.
Real Croats are NE Slavs + SW Europeans. Amen.

Like me. My Germanic is basically zero, in nutshell I am NE Slavic + West Mediterranean.
And that is why I cluster with Croatian average on Global 25.

**Pribislav** · 12-01-2019, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Doesn't matter, PCA is irrelevant. They can be west shifted because of Germanic/Celtic influence, which is also foreign except Celtic for NW Croatia.
Real Croats are NE Slavs + SW Europeans. Amen.

Western ploting Krajina Serbs is probably conected with solid amount of I1 haplogroup. Macura I1-Z63, Drobnjak I1-P109 is some other branches of I1 are common among Krajina Serbs.

**Jana** · 12-01-2019, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Western ploting Krajina Serbs is probably conected with I1 haplogroup. Macura I1-Z63, Drobnjak I1-P109 is some other branches of I1 are common among Krajina Serbs.

Can be.

**Pribislav** · 12-01-2019, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Can be.

Most of Serbian paleo-Balkanic ancestors were obvious Illyrians.
Venetians have genetic similarity with Serbs, and Veneto was populated by Illyrians before Roman conquest - Venetians share large IBC blocks with South Slavs, specially Serbs (click on the link) https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5302371

**Dušan** · 12-01-2019, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Dušan, a western Serb, cluster like a full Moldovan, not like a western shifted Moldovan. His Vlach part is Greek like, thus Thracian.
Good proof of the fact western Serbs are not native population of Croatia.

I don't have problem with that not being native in Croatia, when it is known that we are there from 16th century.

In most autosomal calculators my paleo-Balkan component in mixed oracle is Greek, but in some is Italian Tuscan.
Probably my Vlach component is mix of Thracians and Ilyrians, and maybe even some real Hellenics, because @vbnetkhio told me I fit well in mixed mode with Mycenaean and Minoan in his K36 calculator.

it's interesting how you get an equally good fit with Slav/Balt+neolithic, Slav/Balt+Greek, and Slav/Balt+north Italian. i'm not sure how to interpret that yet.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6312196

**Dušan** · 12-01-2019, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Dušan is not typical for Krajina Serbs, because of his eastern ploting. Vast majority of Krajina Serbs are more western than Serbian average, often more western even than Croatian average.

If I remember well one Banija Croatian ploting wery eastern. On the other hand Banija Serbd are quite western shifted.

We need more tested people and then we could conclude what is average for Krajina Serbs.
I don't think my result is extremely atypical.

**Pribislav** · 12-01-2019, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dušan

I don't have problem with that not being native in Croatia, when it is known that we are there from 16th century.

In most autosomal calculators my paleo-Balkan component in mixed oracle is Greek, but in some is Italian Tuscan.
Probably my Vlach component is mix of Thracians and Ilyrians, and maybe even some real Hellenics, because @vbnetkhio told me I fit well in mixed mode with Mycenaean and Minoan in his K36 calculator.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6312196

Still much before Feiichy's ancestors. Her ancestors came to Croatia in 20th century from Dubca.