My paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians

[Jana]

Thracians didn't live just in todays Bulgaria, but in large parts of todays Serbia.

There were also Dardanians who were between Thracians and Ilyrians, they have lived in most of south Serbia and Kosovo.

I wonder if is that Ilyrian (north Italian-like) sample is representative to all Dinaric area, including Herzegovina or not?
Maybe southeast part of Dinaric Alps have different genetic, closer to that Thracian sample.
Because, most of Krajina Serbs were settled in Krajina from Herzegovina.

Could be, we still lack southern Illyrian results from Albania proper for example. They could be different (more influenced by Greeks)

[TheMaestro]

Thracians didn't live just in todays Bulgaria, but in large parts of todays Serbia.

There were also Dardanians who were between Thracians and Ilyrians, they have lived in most of south Serbia and Kosovo.

I wonder if is that Ilyrian (north Italian-like) sample is representative to all Dinaric area, including Herzegovina or not?
Maybe southeast part of Dinaric Alps have different genetic, closer to that Thracian sample.
Because, most of Krajina Serbs are settled in Krajina from Herzegovina.

You guys don't understand me, Im saying that calculator is unreliable and that it doesn't show modern populations correctly letalone you finding out your ancient ancestors.
You could find those out via halogroups or ancestry not gedmatch. And to add proto-Dardanians were Illyrians as far as I know.

[vbnetkhio]

And no, northern Croats are not modeled like this.

those samples from Zagreb are. and Hungarians and Slovenians on g25 too.

[Jana]

Seems some of you don't understand these samples are from Global 25, not gedmatch (but it says the same so it doesnt matter)

[Dušan]

You guys don't understand me, Im saying that calculator is unreliable and that it doesn't show modern populations correctly letalone you finding out your ancient ancestors.
You could find those out via halogroups or ancestry not gedmatch. And to add proto-Dardanians were Illyrians as far as I know.

It is not certian that they were Illyrians.

The Dardani (/ˈdɑːrdənaɪ/; Ancient Greek: Δαρδάνιοι, Δάρδανοι; Latin: Dardani), or Dardanians (Δαρδανίωνες) were an Indo-European tribe which settled in the region that took its name from them of Dardania,[1][2] at the Thraco-Illyrian contact zone. Their identification as either an Illyrian or Thracian tribe is uncertain.[3][4][5] They and their territory were by most writers not considered part of Illyria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardani

[Jana]

those samples from Zagreb are. and Hungarians and Slovenians on g25 too.

Because they are not northern Croats. They are average Croats and hunderds of tousands of southern and eastern Croats live in Zagreb.

Actuall northern Croats are like Ph2ter and his family, who are from smaller towns in NW Croatia.

I am not close to northern Croats but close to average Croats.
Hungarians also have large German and exotic minor input, less Slavic too. They Illrian part is quite irrelevant.

[Dušan]

Could be, we still lack southern Illyrian results from Albania proper for example. They could be different (more influenced by Greeks)

Yes. We need samples from east Herzegovina and Montenegro, to see were they closer to modern North Italians, or to modern Sardinians and Greeks.

[Jana]

Yes. We need samples from east Herzegovina and Montenegro, to see were they closer to modern North Italians, or to modern Sardinians and Greeks.

Agree.
PS this Thracian close to south/central Italian and Greeks.
His Sardinaian part is from older Balkan neolithic population.

[TheMaestro]

It is not innacurate at all when all pro studies say the same lol. And dont imply what I never said.

Dusan is very Slavic and different from Croats.

Lol, Gedmatch is literally a calculator, how you can get out ancient ancestry out of it.

Let's say there a guy who contains number 1 and 10 - gedmatch matches him with number 5
If theres a guy who contains number 2 and 11 gedmatch matches him with number 5 too
Do those 2 guys share anything? Absolutely not, but they plot the same, that's how gedmatch works, now tell me how is that supposed to tell you, your anciesnt ancestry, it's alogical.
As I said you Y-DNA and DNA testing proves your ties, not gedmatch. Or websites like yourancientancestry where basically modern populations are just substitued by the old ones, it's even more hilarious seeing people paying for that.

[Jana]

Lol, Gedmatch is literally a calculator, how you can get out ancient ancestry out of it.

Let's say there a guy who contains number 1 and 10 - gedmatch matches him with number 5
If theres a guy who contains number 2 and 11 gedmatch matches him with number 5 too
Do those 2 guys share anything? Absolutely not, but they plot the same, that's how gedmatch works, now tell me how is that supposed to tell you, your anciesnt ancestry, it's alogical.
As I said you Y-DNA and DNA testing proves your ties, not gedmatch. Or websites like yourancientancestry where basically modern populations are just substitued by the old ones, it's even more hilarious seeing people paying for that.

This is not gedmatch. Wtf?
Ancient samples are on G25 and we compared to to which modern populations they are closest. What's not clear here?

Also autosomal >>> Haplogroups