Is my mother ''German'' actually Germanised Slovenian?

[Jana]

How much of her ancestry is from Alsace?Swabians from Swabia aren't genetically East-Central Euro like Austrians. But it's possible that Danube Swabian is a catch all phrase for Germans of many different backgrounds and it was genetically EE in her case.

Very small amount of her German is from Alsace, just one line (it's not Swabian). Rest is Swabian and they Danube Swabians were of diverse origins. Uncle say that Swabian was from Austria, but I did not see proof.

[Dunai]

Danube schwabians are south germans predominantly

While there were cases when the Habsburgs have colonized Hungary with Germans from Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, the majority came from West Germany, like Alsace-Lorraine, Rhineland, Palatinate, Hesse. For example I traced back dozens towards hundreds of my Danube Swabian ancestors and almost couldn't find one from South Germany. The reason that they all got labeled Swabians is because they boarded boats from Ulm, in Swabia.

[Peterski]

Post her DNA Land. Does she have German matches on GEDmatch or elsewhere?

Her DNA Land shows 0% NW Euro?

[Samnium]

How much of her ancestry is from Alsace?Swabians from Swabia aren't genetically East-Central Euro like Austrians. But it's possible that Danube Swabian is a catch all phrase for Germans of many different backgrounds and it was genetically EE in her case.

And Alsatians aren't Germans genetically they are close to W.Germans surely but as other East French.

[Peterski]

And Alsatians aren't Germans genetically they are close to W.Germans surely but as other East French.

They are very close to Swiss Germans too. Quite a bit closer to them than Non-German East French.

[Samnium]

They are very close to Swiss Germans too. Way closer to them than Non-German East French.

I believe that Alsatians, Swiss Germans, French Swiss and also departements like Haute-Savoie (near Geneva) are close together. Atleast from what I've seen in PCAs, Swiss Germans being the more germanic shifted.

Strangely Burgundy seems less Germanic shifted. I'm always amazed by the boundaries that can exist in a country, an area more northern will plot more southern or things like that.

[Peterski]

I believe that Alsatians, Swiss Germans, French Swiss and also departements like Haute-Savoie (near Geneva) are close together. Atleast from what I've seen in PCAs, Swiss Germans being the more germanic shifted.

Yes and some Germans from Saarland, Baden-Württemberg, Upper Swabia and Bavaria are also "French-like" and this is due to strong Celtic influence.

Bronze Age South Germany was inhabited by people very similar to modern French. Pre-Germanic substrate in the region was similar to Gauls probably.

But most of South Germans are closer to "South Dutch" or "West German" than to "French" on GEDmatch.

[Samnium]

Yes and some Germans from Saarland, Baden-Württemberg, Upper Swabia and Bavaria are also "French-like" and this is due to strong Celtic influence.

Bronze Age South Germany was inhabited by people very similar to modern French. Pre-Germanic substrate in the region was similar to Gauls probably.

But most of South Germans are closer to "South Dutch" or "West German" than to "French" on GEDmatch.

French average would be a good approximation of an auvergnat I think. The french people that I've quoted are all in between the French and West German average.

[Peterski]

French average would be a good approximation of an auvergnat I think. The french people that I've quoted are all in between the French and West German average.

In Germany there is a sharp genetic border between Nordrhein-Westfalen and Rheinland-Pfalz.

Basically there is no intermediate "Central" zone*, you get either North German genetics or South German genetics.

But from Bavaria to Grand Est you have a Celto-Germanic continuum and a lot of similarity there:
(this continuum also extends into Belgium and South Netherlands, which are more southern-shifted than Westphalia)



*If an intermediate zone exists then it must be very thin, just like intermediate NW French vs. SW French zone must be very thin.

In Western France, you also get either Breton-like genetics or Aquitanian-like genetics, with little or no intermediate "central" zone.

Strangely Burgundy seems less Germanic shifted.

Yes, definitely closer to Rhone-Alpes than to Alsace or regions further north. And Romandy (French Switzerland) is also like that.

[Jana]

you should test her with 23andme. As you saw in case of Ljubic, no other test or calculator showed anything German or NW Euro for him, I explained why and with example. So those ftdna, g25 and gedmatch results are irrelevant.

Ljubic scores German on 23andme in amount he expected, I don't (only 4 percent NW Euro and 2 percent French and German)