Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Mingle]

HarappaWorld oracle/distances based on a bunch of custom samples I collected (and averaged):

Distance to: Mingle
2.83487213 pashtun-northeast
3.41026392 pashtun-tarkalani
3.48270010 pashtun-uthmankhel
4.09160115 pashtun-yusufzai
5.07643576 dameli
5.47295167 tajik-panjshir
6.31252723 kho
6.34710958 pashtun
6.90671412 pashtun-kandahar
7.31754057 nuristani
7.40365450 phalura
8.00299319 pashtun-n-afghanistan
8.14556935 kamboj
8.24456791 pathan
8.61988979 kalash
10.63989662 wakhi
11.03036264 punjabi-khatri
11.10975697 sindhi1
12.43834394 kashmiri
12.55885743 ishkashimi
13.31338049 burusho
13.45962852 bhatia
13.87582070 punjabi-jatt-sikh
14.04662949 gawar
14.29061930 pushtikar-brahmin
14.43572998 haryana-jatt
14.73018669 punjabi-jatt-muslim
14.80747446 tajik-herat
15.22888046 gujar-pakistan
15.52293465 kashmiri-pandit
15.92108979 baloch-iran
16.30796431 shughnani
16.64672340 rajasthani-brahmin
16.66243080 punjabi-saini
16.79219759 punjabi
16.79988393 gujarati-muslim
16.87863146 parsi
17.14958309 tajik-kulyab
17.42231615 punjabi-brahmin
17.74810976 tajik-tajikistan
17.86667289 iranian-bandar
17.94949581 punjabi-arain
18.03552883 iraqi-gypsy
18.21129869 singapore-indian-c
18.23051837 rushani
18.24314940 nepali
18.52934160 sindhi2
18.64540426 up-muslim
18.77051145 kashmiri-pahari
18.85671233 tajik-nw-afghanistan

[Zoro]

HarappaWorld oracle/distances based on a bunch of custom samples I collected (and averaged):

Distance to: Mingle
2.83487213 pashtun-northeast
3.41026392 pashtun-tarkalani
3.48270010 pashtun-uthmankhel
4.09160115 pashtun-yusufzai
5.07643576 dameli
5.47295167 tajik-panjshir
6.31252723 kho
6.34710958 pashtun
6.90671412 pashtun-kandahar
7.31754057 nuristani
7.40365450 phalura
8.00299319 pashtun-n-afghanistan
8.14556935 kamboj
8.24456791 pathan
8.61988979 kalash
10.63989662 wakhi
11.03036264 punjabi-khatri
11.10975697 sindhi1
12.43834394 kashmiri
12.55885743 ishkashimi
13.31338049 burusho
13.45962852 bhatia
13.87582070 punjabi-jatt-sikh
14.04662949 gawar
14.29061930 pushtikar-brahmin
14.43572998 haryana-jatt
14.73018669 punjabi-jatt-muslim
14.80747446 tajik-herat
15.22888046 gujar-pakistan
15.52293465 kashmiri-pandit
15.92108979 baloch-iran
16.30796431 shughnani
16.64672340 rajasthani-brahmin
16.66243080 punjabi-saini
16.79219759 punjabi
16.79988393 gujarati-muslim
16.87863146 parsi
17.14958309 tajik-kulyab
17.42231615 punjabi-brahmin
17.74810976 tajik-tajikistan
17.86667289 iranian-bandar
17.94949581 punjabi-arain
18.03552883 iraqi-gypsy
18.21129869 singapore-indian-c
18.23051837 rushani
18.24314940 nepali
18.52934160 sindhi2
18.64540426 up-muslim
18.77051145 kashmiri-pahari
18.85671233 tajik-nw-afghanistan

Interesting that you’re closer to Tajiks then some Pashtuns. Do you mind posting some of those pashtuns and tajik averages so I can try them in my run.

[Bakha]

Mdlp k23:

Target: Bakha Distance: 2.3265% / 2.32651118 | ADC: 0.25x
34.4	Tatar-Kazan
19.4	Romanian
15.4	Tabassaran
10.8	Tatar_Lithuania
7.2	Moksha
6.0	Parsi
3.2	Ain_Touta_WGA
3.0	Tatar_Mishar
0.6	Mozabite

[Bakha]

Mdlp World in My case rocks, Tatar Pride:

Target: Bakha Distance: 4.2764% / 4.27641311 | ADC: 0.5x
51.4	Tatar_Crim
34.2	Tatar
5.6	Ajv52
5.0	Latvian_V
3.8	Tatar_Lithuania

---

Target: Bakha Distance: 1.5945% / 1.59448001 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0	Tatar_Crim
27.8	Tatar_Kryashen
7.4	Tatar_Lithuania
6.8	Latvian_V
5.0	Ajv52
5.0	Parsi
4.2	Tatar
2.4	Makrani
0.4	Jew_India

---

[Kaspias]

It seems it works for you. In my case, it shifts to southern for both 23andMe and FTDNA kits. Here both for all distances,

FTDNA

Target: Thracian
Distance: 0.3680% / 0.36799636
20.8	Georgian_Jewish
19.6	Cossacks_Kuban
11.6	Tuscan
9.2	Greek_Cappadocian
6.2	Southwest_French
5.4	Austrian
5.4	Sardinian
3.2	Georgian
2.8	Saudi
2.6	Gujarati
2.6	Selkup
2.0	Balochi
2.0	Italian_Abruzzo
1.8	Russian_Smolensk
1.4	Punjabi_Jat
1.2	South_Dutch
0.8	Mari
0.6	Belorussian
0.4	French
0.4	Lebanese_Christian

Target: Thracian
Distance: 1.9578% / 1.95782983 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4	Greek_Peloponnese
19.8	Romanian
14.8	Tadjik
12.0	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
4.2	Tatar
1.0	Punjabi_Jat
0.8	Saudi

Target: Thracian
Distance: 3.1955% / 3.19546518 | ADC: 0.5x
34.8	Greek_Peloponnese
27.4	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
24.4	Romanian
13.4	Tadjik

Target: Thracian
Distance: 7.2152% / 7.21524088 | ADC: 1x
66.6	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
17.6	Romanian
14.6	Greek_Peloponnese
1.2	Tadjik

Target: Thracian
Distance: 8.9563% / 8.95630989 | ADC: 2x
87.2	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
12.8	Greek_Peloponnese

23andMe V5

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 0.3034% / 0.30339934
19.0	Greek_Cappadocian
12.2	Austrian
11.4	Iranian_Jewish
9.2	Tuscan
8.4	Southwest_Finnish
6.2	South_Dutch
4.4	Belorussian
3.8	Greek_Thessaly
3.6	Greek_Caucasus
2.8	Gujarati
2.8	Selkup
2.6	Italian_Abruzzo
2.2	Lebanese_Druze
1.8	Armenian_East
1.6	Central_Greek
1.6	Mari
1.2	Cossacks_Kuban
1.2	French
1.2	West_Scottish
0.8	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
0.4	Chamar
0.4	Romanian
0.2	Armenian_West
0.2	Georgian_Jewish
0.2	Russian_Smolensk
0.2	Serbian
0.2	Southwest_French
0.2	Velamas

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 2.1313% / 2.13126128 | ADC: 0.25x
42.4	Greek_Andros_Island
35.8	Romanian
12.2	Tadjik
6.4	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
2.6	Mari
0.6	Brahmin_UP

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 3.6034% / 3.60338105 | ADC: 0.5x
37.2	Romanian
31.8	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
21.2	Greek_Andros_Island
7.8	Tadjik
2.0	Turkmen_Uzbekistan

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 6.8054% / 6.80540315 | ADC: 1x
72.0	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
28.0	Romanian

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 8.6277% / 8.62773385 | ADC: 2x
92.6	Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
6.4	Bulgarian
1.0	Greek_Thessaly

I think it works in your case, too. The problem is the Greek samples. I don't believe they represent proper Greek genetic as i always said. You may think i stuck with it lol. Anyway, let's investigate it.

Target: Thracian
Distance: 7.2152% / 7.21524088 | ADC: 1x
66.6 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
17.6 Romanian
14.6 Greek_Peloponnese
1.2 Tadjik

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 3.6034% / 3.60338105 | ADC: 0.5x
37.2 Romanian
31.8 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
21.2 Greek_Andros_Island
7.8 Tadjik
2.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

These models are spot on. Romanian + Andros will make Macedonia Thrace and the rest is from the Turk part.

The thing which i didn't understand is your Greek admixture in these models and in most of the calculators, how is that possible to score such high while you don't have an ancestor from Greece? Or any town which is not highly populated by Greeks? You were thinking it is about your side which is from Kardzhali. Because they were identifying as "Dağlı"(Mountaineer) as an addition to their Turk identity and this was making them different than the others, i also remember we talked potential Sarakatsani-Dağlı connection in the past.

But after some time thinking about this, i can say that there are one more possible way to explain it. Because Dağlı results don't fit our imagination. See:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.37
2 West_Asian 17.42
3 East_Med 17.18
4 North_Atlantic 15.65
5 West_Med 15.33
6 Siberian 7.75
7 Red_Sea 3.97
8 East_Asian 3.47
9 Oceanian 0.47
10 Northeast_African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 12.54
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
3 Romanian 13.51
4 Central_Greek 16.27
5 Serbian 16.55
6 Italian_Abruzzo 16.7
7 East_Sicilian 17.5
8 West_Sicilian 18.93
9 Moldavian 19.39
10 Tuscan 19.48
11 Ashkenazi 19.54
12 South_Italian 20.08
13 Nogay 20.12
14 North_Italian 21.76
15 Turkish 22.07
16 Tatar 22.94
17 Croatian 23.09
18 Hungarian 23.1
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.77
20 Kumyk 24.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Bulgarian + 37.4% Nogay @ 4.5
2 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Nogay @ 4.94
3 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.03
4 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Tatar @ 5.16
5 53.5% South_Italian + 46.5% Tatar @ 5.17
6 61% Romanian + 39% Nogay @ 5.38
7 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.45
8 57.3% East_Sicilian + 42.7% Tatar @ 5.58
9 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% Uzbeki @ 5.82
10 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Hazara @ 5.85
11 67.7% Central_Greek + 32.3% Chuvash @ 5.91
12 55.4% Tatar + 44.6% Cyprian @ 6
13 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Aghan_Hazara @ 6.02
14 62.4% South_Italian + 37.6% Chuvash @ 6.03
15 52.1% Tatar + 47.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.37
16 70.4% Central_Greek + 29.6% Mari @ 6.39
17 68.5% Romanian + 31.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.41
18 58.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 41.2% Tatar @ 6.41
19 71.1% Greek_Thessaly + 28.9% Uzbeki @ 6.44
20 67.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.7% Chuvash @ 6.46


This person identifies as Dağlı. If i remember well, their migration date to Turkey is similar to your family and again, if i remember well, you two live in the same city in Turkey. And you two also matched. Despite we thought they had Greek admixture instead of Bulgarian and probably has little Turkic admixture, he has one of the most legit Bulgarian-Oghuz results i have ever seen.

On the other hand, you also have Gevgelija ancestry from Northern Macedonia. I searched languages spoken in this town during the Ottoman Empire and saw that there were primary schools in which their teachers are not assigned by the Ottoman government. But Greek schools already connected to the government, then?

Map is from 1886




Then i checked the situation in today





You may also interested in with it:

Thede Kahl (2006): The islamisation of the Meglen Vlachs (Megleno-Romanians): The village of Nânti (Nótia) and the “Nântinets” in present-day Turkey, Nationalities Papers, 34:01, p80-81: "Assuming that nearly the total population of Nânti emigrated, then the number of emigrants must have been around 4,000. If the reported number of people living there today is added, the whole Meglen Vlachs population is c. 5,000."

You may think 5000 is small. But Macedonia has around 1000, Greece has around 4000 and Romania has around 1000. So this means half of their population converted. The ones who migrated to Turkey known as "Karacaovalılar"

In 1900, the then province of Gevgelija, which contained most of the Megleno-Romanian settlements, had a population of 49,315, of which 20,643 Slavs, 14,900 Turks, 9,400 Christian Aromanians and Megleno-Romanians, 3,500 Muslim Megleno-Romanians, 655 Gypsies, and 187 Circassians

Even if your ancestor is not convert but ethnic Turk, this map is from the 18th century and shows that the native population of the region were Vlachs, they didn't migrate from anywhere to there. So their admixture will be Vlach.




Your Kardzhali & Gevgelija side seems legit now and we can see the potential reason for your low East Eurasian and high Greco-Roman(NA) influence here.

[Kaspias]

Greek Thesally is original Davidski ref.
I will add new academic NE-Greek samples to K15. What do you think about them? There are in G25 since month or so.

I know, i think Davidski used the GREEKGRALPOP average for Greek_Thessaly, he didn't know where they are from(since the author of the article didn't state it, i asked from twitter lol) and wrote Thessaly because it was at the middle point. But almost all GREEKGRALPOP samples were from Thrace with few Pontiacs. I thought this because he did the same thing when i gave him Balkan Turk samples.

NE-Greek samples are from between Eastern Macedonia and Eastern Thrace and they have different genetic compared to Central Macedonia(Thessaloniki). I can suggest you to not bind them with Thessaloniki, but they are proper samples.

I can also give you some other Greek, Bulgarian and all other Muslim Balkanite samples but have to deep dive on the archive since this new Gedmatch thing blocked almost all kits.

[harutsafaryan07]

average for Dodecad K12b

Albanian_Kosovo,5.18,0.14,0.62,0.17,29.47,27.1,0.2 3,0.01,8.13,0.26,28.69,0

Albanian_North,4.49,0,1.15,0.03,29.7,28.3,0.21,0.0 5,7.34,0.12,28.6,0

Armenian_East,18.78,0.24,0.62,0.08,10.82,5.54,0.48 ,0.02,14.21,0.13,49.01,0

Armenian_West,17.23,0.05,0.79,0.11,12.26,3.33,0.39 ,0.1,16.05,0.08,49.54,0

Avar_Dagestan,25.18,2.76,0,0,6.09,25.32,1.19,0,2.0 6,0.28,37.13,0

Azerbaijani,20.81,2.53,0.45,0.58,9.08,9.18,2.66,0. 31,12.19,3.6,38.42,0.19

Azerbaijani_Dagestan,24.44,2.3,0.3,0.27,5.31,16.36 ,1.77,0.04,7.28,1.4,40.5,0.01

Azerbaijani_Iran,21.99,2.58,1.09,0.87,8.14,8.1,2.6 6,0.37,12.2,2.9,38.98,0.11

Azerbaijani_Turkey,20.37,3.02,0.47,0.66,9.25,8.51, 2.5,0.09,11.25,3.45,40.27,0.1

Bashkir,10.27,23.64,0.15,1.07,8,30.73,1.87,0.01,0. 49,16.51,7.24,0.01

Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03, 4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01

Circassian,19.16,3.23,0,0.66,5.2,17.08,0.5,0.04,3. 75,2.3,48.03,0.07

Crimean_Tatar_Coast,10.31,1.51,0.09,0,20.65,20.28, 0.24,0.18,9.37,1.08,36.29,0

Crimean_Tatar_Mountain,11.39,4.28,0.41,1.2,16.94,2 0.86,0.72,0.08,7.08,3.75,33.27,0.03

Crimean_Tatar_Steppe,9.45,12.82,0.16,2.36,11.94,25 .43,1.77,0.04,3.94,15.44,16.64,0

Georgian_Adjara,19.54,0.59,0,0,7.8,4.1,0.54,0.05,8 .46,0.31,58.62,0

Georgian_Gurian,18.73,0.31,0.02,0.34,4.51,10.73,0. 17,0.12,6.12,0,58.94,0

Georgian_Imereti,19.33,0.33,0,0.11,5.3,7.93,0.47,0 ,6.83,0.1,59.61,0

Georgian_Mingrelian,18.78,0.69,0.15,0.13,4.16,9.36 ,0.24,0.05,5.1,0.36,60.98,0

Georgian_Svan,20.22,1.36,0,0.33,2.71,11.49,0.15,0, 4.27,0.67,58.82,0

Georgian_Turkey,19.82,0.44,0,0.02,6.6,5.2,0.35,0.0 3,8.32,0.39,58.77,0

Greek_Cappadocia,11.66,0.41,0.6,0,18.85,6.27,0.13, 0,14.23,0.1,47.73,0.02

Greek_Crete,8.02,0.02,2.63,0.2,23.4,12.24,0.17,0.2 3,14.43,0.17,38.45,0.04

Greek_Pontus,14.93,0.01,0.41,0.06,12.38,4.19,0.13, 0.02,12.78,0.1,54.94,0

Kurd_Kurmanji,24.19,1.39,1.15,0.18,8.64,7.09,2.59, 0.26,13.97,0.62,39.81,0.1

Kurd_Sorani,24.26,0.4,1.22,0.48,7.29,6.28,3.79,0.9 4,16,0.5,38.62,0.24

Laz,17.25,0.06,0.17,0.25,9.41,5.05,0.1,0,10.19,0.0 3,57.48,0

Nusayri_Turkey,12.48,0.49,3.15,0.39,16.16,2.82,0.5 8,1.16,19.46,0.1,42.95,0.25

Talysh_Azerbaijan,25.5,1.24,0.71,0.32,6.32,7.18,3. 21,0.14,12.17,1.2,41.97,0.02

Turk_Ahiska,19.35,0.34,0.42,0.23,7.75,8.24,0.40,0, 9.56,0.46,53.16,0.03

Turk_Anatolia,14.62,5.01,0.96,0.61,12.83,10.75,1.3 5,0.2,10.92,4.87,37.71,0.09

Turk_Northwest,12.88,6.48,1.14,0.79,14.39,14.21,1. 13,0.17,9.59,5.55,33.5,0.11

Turk_Southwest,13.7,6.04,1.17,0.56,13.69,12.02,1.3 3,0.34,10.1,5.8,35.08,0.09

Turk_West_Black Sea,13.21,4.61,0.72,0.81,14.4,12.92,1.24,0.06,10.4 7,4.49,36.98,0.03

Turk_Central_West,14.48,4.37,0.96,0.53,13.53,10.75 ,1.35,0.16,11.57,4.52,37.65,0.08

Turk_Central_East,15.68,3.8,0.89,0.55,12.23,9.33,1 .45,0.16,11.66,3.91,40.18,0.08

Turk_South,15.42,5.44,1.11,0.51,11.29,10.08,1.6,0. 28,11.37,5.1,37.52,0.23

Turk_Central_Black_Sea,14.81,5.86,0.58,0.81,11.54, 9.37,1.09,0.12,10.34,5.63,39.78,0.02

Turk_East_Black_Sea,15.19,0.80,0.39,0.13,11.01,5.2 8,0.30,0,11.25,1.17,54.42,0

Turk_Southeast,18.06,3.07,0.72,0.29,10.83,8.49,2.1 8,0.88,13.65,3.48,38.12,0.16

Turk_East,18.08,1.73,0.78,0.60,10.65,7.55,1.17,0.0 8,12.17,1.35,45.75,0.04

Turkmen_Iraq,22.27,0.67,1.16,1.07,8.73,5.64,2.04,1 .15,16.7,1.85,38.58,0.15

Turkmen_Uzbekistan,19.54,13.24,0.18,2.04,6.54,12.8 6,5.08,0.05,6.49,13.96,19.93,0.07

Zaza,23.89,0.95,0.65,0.24,8.58,7.08,2.11,0.18,13.6 3,0.68,41.98,0.02

Hemshin,17.03,0.06,0.41,0.2,9.36,4.68,0.37,0.02,11 .13,0.02,56.67,0.01

Yoruk,15.01,7.43,2.66,0,11.44,10.96,1.73,0,8.34,8. 92,33.33,0.18

[Kyp]

My father's Dodecad k12b:

[Bakha]

My father's Dodecad k12b:

Lol, Bnei Menashe

[harutsafaryan07]

My father's Dodecad k12b:

interesting your father also Get Azerbaijani_Dagestan btw if I'm not wrong Azerbaijan Dagestan is most Terekeme