Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

**Pribislav** · 12-20-2019, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Orthodox and Catholic Serbs who were marked by Venetians as "Morlachs" have a lot I2-Din. Dalmatian Serbs are 45% I2-Din.

Stojan Janković was born in Žegar, he was known as leader of "Morlachs"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlac...an_irregulars)

On Serbian dna project there are 8-9 tested Serbs from Žegar (with different surnames) and all are I2-PH908.

On Serbian dna project I found 8 tested Serbs from born village of "Morlach" leader Stojan Janković https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žegar,_Croatia

Lukić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Krnjaja (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Milić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Prodanović (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Ušljebrka (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Rakić (Žegar) - I2-PH908
Nanić (Žegar) - I2>I-S17250
Mirilo (Žegar) - I2>I-Z17855

**InfamousAngel99** · 12-20-2019, 12:53 AM

Thanks for the heads up!

**Pribislav** · 12-20-2019, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Dick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

my father is the blue eyed broad face "Morlach" type then

Morlach stronk!

**~~ProudBrit~~** · 12-20-2019, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Iron Age sample (Illyrian proper) is not very different, just less NW and right at Bergamo average. It's identical to early Republican Romans/Italics apart from haplogroups.

There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

**Peterski** · 12-20-2019, 01:23 AM

Here is a portion of academic Armenian, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Scottish, Welsh and Irish samples:

Eurogenes K15 at first:

Code:

Sample,North_Sea,Atlantic,Baltic,Eastern_Euro,West_Med,West_Asian,East_Med,Red_Sea,South_Asian,Southeast_Asian,Siberian,Amerindian,Oceanian,Northeast_African,Sub_Saharan
arm10,5.08,2.60,0,1.47,8.84,37.88,34.81,3.92,5.39,0,0,0,0,0,0
arm11,5.75,0,0,2.65,6.39,42.68,39.77,1.70,0.14,0,0,0,0.82,0,0.08
arm12,0,0,1.60,0,8.96,56.88,29.79,0.56,0,0.36,0.56,0.24,0.26,0.42,0.36
arm13,2.98,9.33,8.04,5.82,6.28,34.95,25.13,3.23,3.43,0,0.81,0,0,0,0
arm14,11.94,9.82,16.61,13.00,5.04,21.53,16.35,3.12,0,0,1.29,0.28,0.75,0,0.26
arm17,5.92,1.12,0,3.52,7.90,37.07,36.04,5.38,1.75,0.43,0,0,0.87,0,0.01
arm18,5.25,0,0,0,10.12,44.59,38.30,0.64,0.48,0,0.57,0,0.04,0,0
arm19,2.71,0,2.21,1.72,0.97,38.09,49.89,0.68,2.97,0,0,0,0,0,0.77
arm20,1.22,0,3.66,0,8.48,58.17,25.02,2.04,0,1.04,0,0,0.37,0,0
arm21,16.86,7.81,22.31,19.70,7.02,17.68,5.91,0,1.62,0,0,0.04,0.44,0.28,0.32
arm23,0,0,0,2.58,10.97,51.06,32.46,2.45,0.25,0,0,0,0.23,0,0
arm26,1.87,0.69,0.61,0,10.85,50.12,28.31,4.42,2.83,0,0,0.10,0,0,0.20
arm3,1.49,0,3.31,0.18,9.91,37.93,42.51,2.41,0.09,1.29,0,0.10,0.78,0,0
arm4,3.29,0,0,3.72,2.86,50.60,36.21,0.01,2.19,0,0,0.86,0.27,0,0
arm5,0.04,0,0.16,0.22,9.84,50.73,35.55,2.17,1.26,0,0,0,0,0,0.03
arm6,0,2.52,0.12,0,10.81,48.86,36.58,0,0.60,0.03,0,0.08,0.41,0,0
arm7,11.08,10.80,12.96,13.79,3.21,19.60,18.75,4.11,1.83,0,2.74,0,0.59,0.24,0.31
arm8,0,9.25,0,0,6.15,40.87,39.15,3.40,0,0,0,1.06,0.12,0,0
arm9,1.87,2.50,4.23,2.09,7.82,36.98,35.38,3.20,5.14,0,0,0.78,0,0,0
armenia102,0,6.81,5.69,0,0,44.54,39.78,1.90,0.30,0.65,0,0,0.32,0,0
armenia106,7.34,0.24,1.41,0,3.10,39.20,44.85,0,3.57,0.27,0.02,0,0,0,0
armenia139,2.97,0,0.57,0,4.92,37.06,48.17,4.71,0.93,0,0,0.21,0.46,0,0
armenia162,0,8.42,0,0,3.77,44.18,36.55,5.91,0.95,0,0,0,0.18,0,0.03
armenia176,6.02,0,0.70,0.59,10.72,36.67,34.60,6.22,4.45,0,0,0,0.03,0,0
armenia191,0,5.28,0,6.65,4.10,44.57,37.22,1.96,0,0,0,0,0.22,0,0
armenia279,0,0.52,0,4.60,3.41,36.11,48.58,5.60,0.15,0.07,0,0.18,0.78,0,0
armenia293,0,6.33,0.55,0,1.62,42.23,47.33,0,1.31,0.59,0,0,0.04,0,0
armenia3,0.73,5.75,1.81,5.44,7.39,36.98,35.74,4.11,1.87,0,0,0.17,0,0,0
armenia36,0,0,3.53,0,8.46,41.35,42.78,1.99,1.57,0,0,0,0.33,0,0
armenia7,2.97,5.78,0.39,0.60,8.66,35.62,36.45,6.82,2.43,0,0,0.06,0,0.21,0
armenia71,1.55,4.79,0,3.06,2.28,42.81,36.49,5.34,3.50,0,0,0.18,0,0,0
armenia73,8.16,0,0.03,2.50,1.33,39.99,43.95,1.53,1.73,0,0.27,0,0.31,0.10,0.10
armenia80,3.55,3.38,3.40,0,8.24,34.99,35.36,8.43,2.56,0,0,0.09,0,0,0
armenia86,0,8.96,2.71,0,1.75,41.34,40.48,2.21,2.56,0,0,0,0,0,0
armenia91,0,3.73,0,0.97,6.32,43.99,37.15,5.97,0.99,0,0,0.38,0.52,0,0
IRL001,39.37,31.48,9.03,10.19,6.27,2.82,0,0,0.45,0,0,0.39,0,0,0
IRL002,37.21,34.81,10.86,5.04,7.49,2.47,0,0,1.09,0,0,1.03,0,0,0
IRL003,35.66,30.04,9.92,8.49,9.29,5.15,0,0,0.20,0,0.45,0.37,0.42,0,0
IRL004,34.39,31.87,7.40,6.87,8.52,9.12,0.81,0,0,0,0,0.49,0.53,0,0
IRL005,40.87,28.70,8.04,9.82,6.82,2.77,0,0,1.76,0,0,1.24,0,0,0
IRL006,34.90,31.85,9.80,8.59,6.90,5.45,0,0,0,0,0,1.47,1.01,0,0.03
IRL007,39.28,30.92,8.73,9.26,7.46,3.12,0,0.95,0,0,0,0.05,0.14,0.09,0
SCO002,34.08,29.85,9.56,11.15,7.81,2.71,1.81,0.75,1.70,0,0,0.56,0,0,0
SCO003,32.72,35.46,12.98,6.69,4.83,5.17,0,0.81,0.62,0.15,0,0.56,0,0,0
SCO005,40.45,31.03,8.58,8.09,6.12,4.05,0.90,0,0.50,0,0,0.08,0.11,0.09,0
SCO006,42.15,22.91,9.45,7.35,10.08,3.52,3.46,0.68,0,0,0,0.21,0,0.06,0.11
SCO008,34.29,32.85,7.22,12.06,8.16,4.21,0,0,0.86,0,0,0.12,0.23,0,0
Scottish1,33.95,29.75,9.68,11.22,7.78,2.97,1.56,0.76,1.72,0,0,0.57,0.05,0,0
Scottish2,32.92,35.36,12.85,6.83,4.80,4.95,0,0.89,0.71,0.05,0,0.64,0,0,0
Scottish4,40.67,30.90,8.19,8.24,6.16,3.96,1.00,0,0.56,0,0,0.08,0.10,0.14,0
Scottish5,41.55,23.02,9.45,7.51,10.05,3.68,3.58,0.75,0,0,0,0.28,0,0.14,0
Scottish6,34.37,32.89,7.23,12.20,8.19,3.94,0,0,0.84,0,0,0.11,0.23,0,0
UAE004,0,1.44,0,9.04,0,28.45,20.44,3.62,24.62,0,0,1.07,0.60,0.88,9.84
UAE005,1.64,0,0,0.38,3.37,14.54,36.68,24.64,7.71,0,0,0,0.47,5.41,5.17
UAE008,0,1.55,4.50,4.38,0,21.98,15.03,2.98,47.20,0.82,0.92,0,0,0,0.63
UAE038,1.99,0,0,0,4.64,10.42,41.48,34.42,1.36,0.41,0,0.53,1.00,3.75,0
UAE041,0,3.96,0.75,1.60,0,17.40,28.82,13.25,13.48,0,0.13,0.50,0.02,7.07,13.02
UAE042,0.11,2.58,0,0,2.49,9.58,43.28,35.64,1.62,0.41,1.12,0,0,3.18,0
UAE047,0,0,0,3.40,0.06,13.48,34.31,26.07,12.57,0,0.71,0,0,5.87,3.53
UAE048,0,1.54,0,3.28,1.58,15.97,37.06,21.39,8.30,0,0.07,0,0,5.31,5.49
UAE090,0,3.06,0,0,0.77,7.67,44.15,40.58,0.85,0.18,0,0,0.64,2.10,0
UAE1,0,1.44,0.01,8.92,0,28.67,20.41,3.54,24.57,0,0,1.05,0.64,0.94,9.81
UAE10,0,3.13,0,0,0.86,7.48,43.93,40.65,1.03,0.06,0,0,0.72,2.13,0
UAE11,0,0.21,1.37,0,1.74,9.04,43.40,36.62,3.57,0,0.25,0.60,0.61,2.61,0
UAE111,0,0.23,1.66,0,1.46,8.80,43.35,36.85,3.62,0,0.34,0.55,0.60,2.54,0
UAE12,0,0,0,6.09,0.52,15.81,31.94,20.39,10.07,0,0,0.13,0.67,3.60,10.77
UAE125,0,0,0,6.03,0.62,15.91,31.91,20.30,10.04,0,0,0.10,0.68,3.65,10.78
UAE127,1.25,0,0,0.03,5.81,12.50,42.61,32.58,0.39,0,0.53,1.20,0.60,2.50,0
UAE13,1.36,0,0,0,6.03,12.65,42.19,32.62,0.38,0,0.49,1.17,0.60,2.50,0
UAE131,0,0.83,0,1.33,4.44,9.50,23.24,12.49,40.47,0.16,1.39,0.87,0.97,3.09,1.22
UAE14,0,0.59,0,1.50,4.42,9.56,23.22,12.67,40.28,0.36,1.25,0.86,0.92,3.33,1.04
UAE2,1.43,0,0,0.27,3.62,14.50,36.89,24.54,7.61,0,0,0,0.54,5.39,5.20
UAE3,0,1.34,4.60,4.37,0,21.87,15.17,2.94,47.45,0.68,0.92,0,0,0,0.65
UAE4,2.26,0,0,0,4.76,10.06,41.45,34.37,1.31,0.46,0,0.56,0.99,3.78,0
UAE5,0,4.11,0.70,1.56,0,17.45,28.70,13.31,13.26,0,0.08,0.56,0,7.26,13.01
UAE6,0.04,2.82,0,0,2.57,9.36,43.30,35.54,1.47,0.37,1.15,0,0,3.38,0
UAE7,0,0,0,3.65,0,13.30,34.31,26.12,12.58,0,0.72,0,0,5.58,3.74
UAE8,0,1.33,0,3.39,1.79,16.01,37.16,21.21,8.23,0,0.07,0,0,5.19,5.63
UAE9,0,0,2.64,7.97,0,18.78,10.57,1.86,18.87,0,0.29,0,0.11,7.93,30.99
WAL001,33.85,35.44,10.76,5.71,8.28,3.99,0,0.62,0.37,0,0,0.86,0.12,0,0
WAL002,34.48,29.58,10.77,9.73,7.33,5.76,0.37,0,0,0,0,0.11,0.51,1.33,0.04
WAL003,33.31,26.26,13.62,11.42,9.53,4.21,0,0.84,0.81,0,0,0,0,0,0
WAL004,35.42,30.92,7.69,10.80,8.71,4.63,0,0.29,0.37,0,0,1.18,0,0,0
Welsh1,33.37,35.67,11.00,5.56,8.15,4.02,0,0.60,0.43,0,0,0.96,0.22,0,0
Welsh2,34.70,29.51,10.82,9.59,7.16,5.67,0.67,0,0,0,0,0.16,0.49,1.18,0.05
Welsh3,33.12,26.06,13.82,11.60,9.41,4.38,0,0.83,0.77,0,0,0,0,0,0
Welsh4,35.46,30.87,7.76,10.50,8.60,4.80,0,0.41,0.35,0,0,1.24,0,0,0

I'm posting all individuals instead of averages as each group has some diversity, would be cool to check it.

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Edit:

Wait a moment I will post Eurogenes K15 averages for these samples as well, below:

Armenia 35 academic samples:

Code:

Armenia35avg,3.16,3.33,2.76,2.71,6.24,40.51,35.75,3.03,1.68,0.14,0.18,0.14,0.26,0.04,0.07

Ireland 7 academic samples:

Code:

Ireland7avg,37.38,31.38,9.11,8.32,7.54,4.41,0.12,0.14,0.50,0,0.06,0.72,0.30,0.01,0

Scotland 10 academic samples:

Code:

Scotland10avg,36.72,30.40,9.52,9.13,7.40,3.92,1.23,0.46,0.75,0.02,0,0.32,0.07,0.04,0.01

UAE, 27 academic samples:

Code:

Uae27avg,0.37,1.12,0.60,2.49,1.91,14.47,33.15,22.64,13.44,0.14,0.39,0.36,0.42,3.67,4.83

Wales 8 academic samples:

Code:

Welsh8avg,34.21,30.54,10.78,9.36,8.40,4.68,0.13,0.45,0.39,0,0,0.56,0.17,0.31,0.01

**Jana** · 12-20-2019, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by ProudBrit

There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

Yes there is, available on G25 and cited in recent Roman study. It is North Italian like. Sample you speak about had laughable low number of snps are thus funny results.

**Mingle** · 12-20-2019, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by ProudBrit

There's no Iron age illyrian sample, the only one that used to be was russian-like and even out of the euro cluster in the north-east part but the albos got it removed, and i'm repeating again what i've just previously said: you cannot model modern populations using 2 ancient ones.

The sample you're thinking of that got removed was a Bronze Age sample from Montenegro.

**Peterski** · 12-20-2019, 01:42 AM

Armenia35avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

Scotland10avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

Ireland7avg compared to updated K15 spreadsheet:

Welsh8avg (I guess there was no Welsh average so far?):

**Mingle** · 12-20-2019, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

The term was initially used for a Vlach pastoralist community in the mountains of Croatia in the second half of the 14th until the early 16th century.

Okay. Can you post some quotes on people from the Dinarics speaking Romance (from that time period)? I haven't really heard of such people and info isn't easy to find on them.

**Peterski** · 12-20-2019, 01:53 AM

United Arab Emirates samples, only top 1st closest population to each sample:

Distance to: UAE8
10.65488620 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE7
15.68126589 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE6
3.90126902 Saudi

Distance to: UAE5 [strong SSA admixture]
19.75588520 Syrian

Distance to: UAE4
3.87944584 Saudi

Distance to: UAE3
11.75433537 Sindhi

Distance to: UAE2
9.51299112 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE14
29.24029070 Makrani

Distance to: UAE131
29.31642884 Makrani

Distance to: UAE13
5.76034721 Saudi

Distance to: UAE127
5.47792844 Saudi

Distance to: UAE125 [strong SSA admixture]
16.88413160 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE12 [strong SSA admixture]
16.93124331 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE111
5.49577110 Saudi

Distance to: UAE11
5.13335173 Saudi

Distance to: UAE10
8.36545277 Saudi

Distance to: UAE1
6.72547396 Iranian_Bandari

Distance to: UAE090
8.32863134 Saudi

Distance to: UAE048
10.71774230 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE047
15.56169978 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE042
3.97232929 Saudi

Distance to: UAE041 [strong SSA admixture]
19.81676058 Syrian

Distance to: UAE038
3.93472998 Saudi

Distance to: UAE008
11.61099479 Sindhi

Distance to: UAE005
9.74378776 Bedouin

Distance to: UAE004
6.89483865 Iranian_Bandari

Distance to: UAE9 [strong SSA admixture]
31.73575428 Iranian_Bandari

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SUMMARY:

Saudi = 10 occurences
Bedouin = 8 occurences
Iranian_Bandari = 3 occurences
Makrani = 2 occurences
Syrian = 2 occurences
Sindhi = 2 occurences